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maddog42 · 03-01-2012, 11:49 PM

I am a huge fan of Dirk, but every time I have seen him (this year)he is playing poorly. Last year in the playoffs was the best shooting exhibition I have ever seen from a 7 footer or maybe anyone. I have NBA league pass so I will try to watch him more.

menifee · 03-02-2012, 12:45 AM

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Westbrook is getting there. Hard to overlook Dirk after last year, and he was playing really well after a bad start. But, he is hurt again, so I might have to move Wade to 5.

Anyone wondering about Howard still? The difference between him and a guy like Durant and even RW was in plain view tonight.

You don't give enough credit to Howard and you are not really considering defense in your list. He had 33 and 9 tonight. Plus he is clearly the best defender in the NBA. He's been named defensive player of the year three years in a row.

cj · 03-02-2012, 07:46 AM

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You don't give enough credit to Howard and you are not really considering defense in your list. He had 33 and 9 tonight. Plus he is clearly the best defender in the NBA. He's been named defensive player of the year three years in a row.

I know all the things he can do. I also know what he can't do. When it really counted, and Perkins was on him in the 4th quarter, he did very little. He also, as usual, missed foul shots. They lost a game they led by at least 15 at home, and by 11 heading into the 4th quarter.

I am not saying the guy isn't a great player. I'm saying he isn't a top 5 player.

Canarsie · 03-02-2012, 10:23 AM

I'm going to catch a lot of Heat (no pun) for this but I can't consider a player top five until they make an NBA Final. I know everyone can name lots of players but that's my criteria.

One of my best friends used to go bananas when I used to say I'd rather have Jim Plunkett in a big game than Peyton Manning. This was before he won a Super Bowl. I never said he was better but on the grand stage he's my pick.

I would say the same thing against A-Roid before the Yanks won with him. Yankee fans would go nut when I would say Brosius would be my starter in the World Series.

I just feel great players in any sport should be able to lift their teammates to a higher level. In the finals talent usually wins out so I don't hold that against them.

cj · 03-02-2012, 10:42 AM

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I'm going to catch a lot of Heat (no pun) for this but I can't consider a player top five until they make an NBA Final. I know everyone can name lots of players but that's my criteria.

One of my best friends used to go bananas when I used to say I'd rather have Jim Plunkett in a big game than Peyton Manning. This was before he won a Super Bowl. I never said he was better but on the grand stage he's my pick.

I would say the same thing against A-Roid before the Yanks won with him. Yankee fans would go nut when I would say Brosius would be my starter in the World Series.

I just feel great players in any sport should be able to lift their teammates to a higher level. In the finals talent usually wins out so I don't hold that against them.

I don't buy it in a team game, and your Plunkett example actually shows the fallacy of your argument.

Robert Fischer · 03-02-2012, 01:00 PM

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Westbrook is getting there. Hard to overlook Dirk after last year, and he was playing really well after a bad start. But, he is hurt again, so I might have to move Wade to 5.

Anyone wondering about Howard still? The difference between him and a guy like Durant and even RW was in plain view tonight.

Just don't even think about playing him at point guard!!

Canarsie · 03-02-2012, 07:07 PM

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I don't buy it in a team game, and your Plunkett example actually shows the fallacy of your argument.

It's not an argument its my position and I know its in the deep minority. For all his greatness Brett Favre has one ring the same as many others. Eli Manning has two in way less years. I'm not a fan of his but he is very impressive.

Its ok most of my friends think I'm nuts also. Before Jordan, Russel was considered by many to be the greatest play even though Wilt got all the press being an offensive machine and also being a great passer.

Would Les Miles rather have switched places with Alabama and lost the first game and won the national title? Nobody is going to remember that LSU was undefeated going into the game. Nobody talks about Miles now its all about Saban. Same deal with the Patriots Eli got all the kudos both times.

Most players say the ring means more then anything and they would trade all their MVP trophies for one. I'm not going to disagree with them one iota.

Valuist · 03-20-2012, 08:24 AM

I know its only one game but if you are gonna call yourself "Superman", your team better to able to score a bit more than 59 points in a home game against a Rose-less Bulls team.

48% from the line? Better work on those super powers.

Marlin · 03-28-2012, 11:49 PM

Man is Love putting up some monster numbers right now. Quotes from recent opposing coaches. (less than a week)
"We used to call him kind of a poor man's Larry Bird. I think you can take poor man's off that comparison." - Karl
"If he continues to do what he is doing for a good portion of his career, he is going to be one of the best ever." - Silas

cj · 03-29-2012, 02:08 AM

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Man is Love putting up some monster numbers right now. Quotes from recent opposing coaches. (less than a week)
"We used to call him kind of a poor man's Larry Bird. I think you can take poor man's off that comparison." - Karl
"If he continues to do what he is doing for a good portion of his career, he is going to be one of the best ever." - Silas

Love is great on one end of the floor, mediocre on the other. He really needs to work on his defense.

Bettowin · 03-29-2012, 12:54 PM

Maybe not in the top 5 of all around players but surely in the top 5 in the most entertaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBnRX...00FOAAAAAAAAAA

cj · 03-29-2012, 01:00 PM

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Maybe not in the top 5 of all around players but surely in the top 5 in the most entertaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBnRX...00FOAAAAAAAAAA

I guess if you prefer dunks. He wouldn't be in my top 5 for entertainment either.

Bettowin · 03-29-2012, 01:11 PM

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I guess if you prefer dunks. He wouldn't be in my top 5 for entertainment either.

Dunks are fun and until the 2nd round of the playoffs there really isn't anything important to watch in the NBA beside the highlights.

cj · 03-29-2012, 03:41 PM

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Dunks are fun and until the 2nd round of the playoffs there really isn't anything important to watch in the NBA beside the highlights.

The Spurs were the best in the West last year and lost in the 1st round. I think there is more parity than years past.

Canarsie · 03-30-2012, 09:28 AM

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The Spurs were the best in the West last year and lost in the 1st round. I think there is more parity than years past.

There might be more parity but the lower tier teams will have to play hard till the end if they want a certain playoff seed. Teams that have seeding wrapped up including the NBA finals will be able to give their stars more rest and at least to me that's a decided advantage.

The Knicks are a good example. They play the Bulls or Heat and their bye bye. If they win the division or get a 6th or better seed and the chances of them reaching the second round greatly increase. But they will be a tired team exerting all that energy just to get there.