horse racing etiquette part 3.. am I in the wrong?

[Beachbabe]

Originally Posted by toussaud

WTF is this CSI horse racing edition? at the time he asked i thought fair grounds was gonna be open but i was wrong. i'm used to still playing FG on monday.

but i don't make shit like this up. i have a half resemblance of a life. anyway thanks to those who offered their advice. i doubt i give any more freebies.

That don't sound good.

[proximity]

Originally Posted by riskman

And to that Spaulding poster, you might give that
Luck creator David Milch a run for his money.

we just pray that spalding gets that fat chick money in advance.... you know, before they lose it at the casino.

[riskman]

Originally Posted by proximity

we just pray that spalding gets that fat chick money in advance.... you know, before they lose it at the casino.

You are going to have to wait for episode 2, the script is under wraps.

[jelly]

I think the real reason Toussard is annoyed is that the bestest friend,the dude made more money on the Red-White hot picks.

[proximity]

Originally Posted by jelly

I think the real reason Toussard is annoyed is that the bestest friend,the dude made more money on the Red-White hot picks.

so the red and white picks have made him blue?

wonder if dahoss hit that double??

[Marlin]

Horse Racing etiquette? I have a hard enough time remembering what side of the DRF the Miller Lite bottle goes on.

[KingChas]

Originally Posted by toussaud

okay this has been nagging at me and I figured i'd ask you guys.

I have this friend who is getting into horse racing. We both are big hog fans and everyone in our football circle knows I'm the "horse racing guy" so when he wanted to start wagering he came to me for advise.


Saturday I was white hot. Like seriously not red boarding at all i was just on saturday. I had a damn good day. This guy calls me and is up about 700 dollars off my wagers.

Funny story,usually when I would would take a newbie to the track by the 5th race I would ask him who he liked.

My advise was my kiss of death.

Now I tell the newbie's I take to the track to to ask my wife who she likes.

Lesson's learned.

[speed]

Originally Posted by Marlin

Horse Racing etiquette? I have a hard enough time remembering what side of the DRF the Miller Lite bottle goes on.

The bottle should never leave you're hands.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Jay Trotter

Well, my two cents worth would be that if you truly value him as a friend, you forgive him this discretion and then set him straight with regards to the difference between your willingness to "teach him to fish" and giving him "fish"!

Friends should be friends first. We all do thoughtless things from time to time not taking into account the "other side" of the issue. The important thing is to keep the importantance of the friendship first, as real friends aren't easy to come by.

Trotter

ps. Who you got for Tuesday?

IMO...this was not much of a friendship to begin with.

If it was, then toussaud wouldn't repeatedly call looking for "his" money...nor would his "friend" call back looking for more picks, knowing that he didn't live up to his previous agreement.

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by toussaud

okay this has been nagging at me and I figured i'd ask you guys.

I have this friend who is getting into horse racing. We both are big hog fans and everyone in our football circle knows I'm the "horse racing guy" so when he wanted to start wagering he came to me for advise.

I told him look, i will even help you out for free. I don't need your money, and I don't know what your financial situation is like, but i you want to honestly learn how to gamble on horses I am more than willing to help you out.

okay, so we are at this for 2 weeks. he buys some PP's i spend time going over what is what with him. Mainly focusing on Oaklawn since that's his home track.

So, this saturday comes and he has made some picks and tried to do his own handicapping and he feels good about his stuff. Okay, he asks me what am I playing. Saturday being big cap day, oakalwn was the least of my concerns. I had the santa anita card all ready to go. I told him such. He says well if you like anything you don't have to tell me but if you would i would appreciate it. I mean he's a good guy and It's not like I'm the freaking knights Templar with my picks or anything, it isn't that serious, sure i told him what i was wagering on. He bets 20 across the board (i'm a strictly WPS guy) on all the horses i tell him at santa anita and a few select races from other tracks i had picked out

Saturday I was white hot. Like seriously not red boarding at all i was just on saturday. I had a damn good day. This guy calls me and is up about 700 dollars off my wagers. I mean I'm not broke i made money too i'm happy for him. at this point he says "man i know you didn't want me to send you any money but man i have to after this i want to keep getting your picks". I didn't like that too much..l i was supposed to be showing you how to handicap not running a daily selections service. Anyway even then I telll him look seriously man just keep the money and take the wife out to eat or something, and let this be a lesson to what you can do if you get somewhat good at this. But e guy keeps going on talking about how he wants to send me 100 dollars or what not for helping him out.. im like dud if you really want to go ahead. he said he was going to the casino and would do so after he got back sunday.

so Sunday comes and i didn't' hear from him. he get back late Sunday night and ask me do I have any picks for today (Monday). I tell him that's a dark day for me (it's not i play fair grounds.. i just don't like the idea of giving out picks like i'm a service or something. he said he would get around to it Monday as he had a lot of stuff to do. today comes and i shoot him an email.. he is sending it WU (he's in little rock i li ve in lexington now) and he says "i thought you said you didn't want any money"


it rubbed me the wrong way beucdase he was the one who insisted on doing it. id on't need your damn 100 dollars but don't tell me.. no.. insist you want to do something then when someone ask you did you do it, try to make it like i am making you do something you don't want to

what i think happened is he blew it all at the casino.

it sucks because we were pretty decent friends before this i just think that's kinda F'ed up the way he's handling it. and again he's gone from wanting to learn how to handicap to just wanting to copy my selections which I don't care for.

Stick around, he'll get worse. Phase -2 is when he stops acknowledging any winner you put him on. Phase -3 entails him telling you why HE liked the horse. And you'll know you're at phase -4 when he starts saying he touted YOU on the horse.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Stick around, he'll get worse. Phase -2 is when he stops acknowledging any winner you put him on. Phase -3 entails him telling you why HE liked the horse. And you'll know you're at phase -4 when he starts saying he touted YOU on the horse.

And let's not forget phase -5; when he tells his significant other that it was YOU who introduced him to this game...and wrecked his financial well-being.

[OTM Al]

Call me crazy, but shouldn't this thread be called "Horseplaying Etiquette"? I mean, horses aren't all that bright or anything, but the only reason one would want a c-note that I know would be to eat it, which any horse could respect. Maybe they talk to each other of these things in the starting gate. The 3 is rearing up now because he vehemently disagrees about being thought of as the football-guy, err horse, and is upset about the 2 rehashing how the Pats should have won the Superbowl and how he had that for 2 pales of barley.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by toussaud

okay this has been nagging at me and I figured i'd ask you guys.

I have this friend who is getting into horse racing. We both are big hog fans and everyone in our football circle knows I'm the "horse racing guy" so when he wanted to start wagering he came to me for advise.

I told him look, i will even help you out for free. I don't need your money, and I don't know what your financial situation is like, but i you want to honestly learn how to gamble on horses I am more than willing to help you out.

okay, so we are at this for 2 weeks. he buys some PP's i spend time going over what is what with him. Mainly focusing on Oaklawn since that's his home track.

So, this saturday comes and he has made some picks and tried to do his own handicapping and he feels good about his stuff. Okay, he asks me what am I playing. Saturday being big cap day, oakalwn was the least of my concerns. I had the santa anita card all ready to go. I told him such. He says well if you like anything you don't have to tell me but if you would i would appreciate it. I mean he's a good guy and It's not like I'm the freaking knights Templar with my picks or anything, it isn't that serious, sure i told him what i was wagering on. He bets 20 across the board (i'm a strictly WPS guy) on all the horses i tell him at santa anita and a few select races from other tracks i had picked out

Saturday I was white hot. Like seriously not red boarding at all i was just on saturday. I had a damn good day. This guy calls me and is up about 700 dollars off my wagers. I mean I'm not broke i made money too i'm happy for him. at this point he says "man i know you didn't want me to send you any money but man i have to after this i want to keep getting your picks". I didn't like that too much..l i was supposed to be showing you how to handicap not running a daily selections service. Anyway even then I telll him look seriously man just keep the money and take the wife out to eat or something, and let this be a lesson to what you can do if you get somewhat good at this. But e guy keeps going on talking about how he wants to send me 100 dollars or what not for helping him out.. im like dud if you really want to go ahead. he said he was going to the casino and would do so after he got back sunday.

so Sunday comes and i didn't' hear from him. he get back late Sunday night and ask me do I have any picks for today (Monday). I tell him that's a dark day for me (it's not i play fair grounds.. i just don't like the idea of giving out picks like i'm a service or something. he said he would get around to it Monday as he had a lot of stuff to do. today comes and i shoot him an email.. he is sending it WU (he's in little rock i li ve in lexington now) and he says "i thought you said you didn't want any money"


it rubbed me the wrong way beucdase he was the one who insisted on doing it. id on't need your damn 100 dollars but don't tell me.. no.. insist you want to do something then when someone ask you did you do it, try to make it like i am making you do something you don't want to

what i think happened is he blew it all at the casino.

it sucks because we were pretty decent friends before this i just think that's kinda F'ed up the way he's handling it. and again he's gone from wanting to learn how to handicap to just wanting to copy my selections which I don't care for.

If you are a true friend, you'll overlook this faux paux and move on.
Typically, when the time comes after one of my buddies gives me a big hitter, I'll either buy dinner or throw him 5 or 10% of my profit as a thank you.
Consider the $100 a bit of gratitude.
Now, if you are ill because he continues to ask for picks, teach a lesson and give him some duds or just the low odds picks. Or you can be up front and honest with him. Instead of just cutting him off, do this:....Next time you wager together or go to the track, you tell him it's his time to do the handicapping. You tell him you've taught him enough to know the basics. Let him know you are betting his picks. See how he reacts.
The bottom line here is to keep him interested and hopefully he'll enjoy the game enough to stick around.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

It's one thing to understand the nuts and bolts of what everything means and basic theory. It's entirely different to become a "horseplayer" and even more so a gambler. All the little nuances that can only be learned over many years of doing it and perhaps more importantly interacting with other fellow players friends or not.

Giving friends picks on anything but a very occasional basis can only have two results. 1. Disaster. 2. Castastrophe.

DO NOT take the $100. Suggest instead you guys and significants others get together for dinner and he can buy a great bottle of wine you can all share and revel in your winning day.

It's a very tough spot. You did nothing wrong. People with good opinions have this happen all the time. Talk to him. A real friend will understand that. Besides the true joy is the evolution of cultivating your own opinion anyway. Soemthing that we all know can only be done by diving into the pool on your own. Doesn't mean you can't go over races together and discuss theory.

However, if you wish to remain friends that's where it should end.

Can I get an AMEN?!!!!!

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by NJ Stinks

This is neither here nor there but....

My bestest friends love playing the horses too.

Does that make me a shallow human being?

Abby? Anybody?

Shallow as a baby pool.....