Burton Sipp still training

[Brisk Urging]

Wow

[Sheffwed]

Originally Posted by Brisk Urging

Wow

the sport needs more minimum standards it's fair to say, for it's own sake

[Suff]

Skim the recent horse racing coverage at the Washington Post. Burton's a prince compared to those savages.

Those bush tracks draw bigger crowds than harness or low level thoroughbreds. The handles in the 100's of thousands , 10% takeout.



Also, rough estimate, 6 million horses in the United States of which ~20% are "equine athletes".

No drama for the 80%? Close your eyes and imagine how those horses are treated.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Suff

Skim the recent horse racing coverage at the Washington Post. Burton's a prince compared to those savages.

Those bush tracks draw bigger crowds than harness or low level thoroughbreds. The handles in the 100's of thousands , 10% takeout.



Also, rough estimate, 6 million horses in the United States of which ~20% are "equine athletes".

No drama for the 80%? Close your eyes and imagine how those horses are treated.

There's a thread for that:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=171884

It's weird that Brisk missed it as he really is concerned for the welfare of the game AND the horses especially

[cj]

Originally Posted by Suff

Skim the recent horse racing coverage at the Washington Post. Burton's a prince compared to those savages.

Those bush tracks draw bigger crowds than harness or low level thoroughbreds. The handles in the 100's of thousands , 10% takeout.



Also, rough estimate, 6 million horses in the United States of which ~20% are "equine athletes".

No drama for the 80%? Close your eyes and imagine how those horses are treated.

He isn't a prince compared to anyone. He is evil to the core based on his long, sordid history.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by cj

i really can't knock a thing you just wrote, wish i could though.

https://newspaper.animalpeopleforum....ses-questions/

[Suff]

It quite alright to hold your own views. And to have varied thoughts.
One of mine:
RaceHorses are not pets. They're assets that are monetized by gambling and breeding. And to a lessor extent through media and entertainment.

Burton Sipp is not my doing. Burton Sipp exist because primary stakeholders are unprofitable.

The way to stop Sipp is to give owners and gamblers a chance to profit, or lose less, more slowly.

Not by Hissa or cute Twitter.

[Suff]

When one sees National Sports such as Major League Baseball try profound changes , 7 inning games etc


These are sport industries with combined values in the Trillions of dollars. We see new ideas tested in the MLB to NBA. You have LIV challenge PGA , 54hole vs 72 hole, allowing music, and encouraging festive atmosphere vs Quiet on the Course.

What do we see in racetracks? Another gimmick after another gimmick. Silly shit. HISSA WILL AND SHOULD FAIL. imho.

The Betting product is untenable.
The Backside needs to be restructured completely.
The entire industry needs to die and be rebuilt.


The reason Sipp exist is there's not enough owners.
The guy has 20-50 head, fills races, tracks can't operate without 30 head operations.

Check Saratoga today.."Trainers in Today '. Add them
Up, over 100 of them. Think about that.. from a race filling point of view, but also from regulatory view.

[Suff]

I love everything he does, and likable.

He's right about the plight of the backsides.
They work literally 7 days a week 12-16 hour days.

So should anyone working that hard, in America, require charity to raise a family? Not imho. You work 80 hour weeks and rely on charity to get your kid a decent education?

Racing was built on indentured servitude and the other S word, Slavery.

Burn it to the Fking ground.

[king kong]

I remember he was at Suffolk Downs in the very early 1960s.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by king kong

I remember he was at Suffolk Downs in the very early 1960s.

that was his father

[Sheffwed]

Originally Posted by Suff

I love everything he does, and likable.

He's right about the plight of the backsides.
They work literally 7 days a week 12-16 hour days.

So should anyone working that hard, in America, require charity to raise a family? Not imho. You work 80 hour weeks and rely on charity to get your kid a decent education?

Racing was built on indentured servitude and the other S word, Slavery.

Burn it to the Fking ground.

Here's my thoughts on this

1) Wagering on racing is at an all time high everywhere in this country - going to the races has never been more appealing as a thing to do, especially in the summer - the idea that the sport is dead or dying is and always has been ill informed - agreed horse ownership should be more inclusive, and successful groups like Donegal and similar show how this can be done

2) Hong Kong provides the example all other jurisdictions should aspire to in so far as quality of racing, diligence, safety, revenue and standards

3) In this regard, elite meetings such as Del Mar and the Spa and other top tracks such as Kentucky Downs and now the excellent Colonial Downs provide a base of how horses can be treated and racing can be conducted with quality

4) Steeplechase racing in this country is another example of how racing can be conducted successfully at lower levels, make it appealing/family friendly, as it is in Nashville

5) Backstretch conditions definitely need improvement, but here again is an example of where this works well - Fair Hill

6) Minimum standards are needed to police this sport, to keep it honest, and to allow it to thrive

7) Bring as much of the sport into these ideal conditions, becomes a way to solve the dilemma of what is the role of the horse in our contemporary world - otherwise, indeed we end up with the Modern Wild West per that WaPo piece (wow, read it if you haven't) - while there is no stopping such terrible behavior, the answer lies in running our sport well, with minimum standards and encouraging more places like Fair Hill to exist, I'm actually a part owner in a trainer there, in a successful syndicate, so there is a way forward here

As opposed to burn it to the ground, we can build from what's actually working

[Suff]

Originally Posted by king kong

I remember he was at Suffolk Downs in the very early 1960s.

with his dad George in the 60's. In the 90 and 2000's
Burton was Delta Downs, Mountaineer, Suffolk Downs, some Louisiana.

Think about a 2 week or 4 week meet at these ghetto tracks? Who the F has 50.horses to ship to Boston for a month? Nobody

Absolutely nobody.

I think Burton is nearly 80years old. His father was George Sipp, under Fitzsimmons at Belmont later trained in NY.

His dad was indicted with 2 Winter Hill Suffolk Downs gangsters.

Billy Barnoski on Google will send you down criminal rabbit hole that will mesmerize you.

[lamboguy]

what an elite group of names those are, especially Billy Barnowki, a real sweet fellow. if you put up an over under of 40 murders, i would be all in on the over!

[elhelmete]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

what an elite group of names those are, especially Billy Barnowki, a real sweet fellow. if you put up an over under of 40 murders, i would be all in on the over!

that fat useless turd tony ciulla was worse