is there more speed in this derby?

[sbcaris]

Does this derby contain more speed than the last 8 Derbies?

[BlueChip@DRF]

KD winners PPs and Charts from 2000-2018

I'm not sure if you want to count the 2020 Kentucky Derby as it was run "out of season".

[f2tornado]

I don't think it has more speed. The Brisnet E1 and E2 figures for this group as a whole are borderline pathetic compared to previous renewals. It does have a lack of P and S types which adds a unique capping flavor and potentially makes the draw a little more important than usual.

[BlueChip@DRF]

Other than Caddo River, it would look like "lead by default".

[boys at tosconova]

half the field could be on the engine early for up close position. that might translate into going faster. but none of the top favs have to be on the lead as well, and any of them could be if they wanted to. at least 1 if not more of them will get a good up close trip.

hard to really count on a fast pace and many horses tiring up front. especially more so that you don't know which one could be affected. many horses should be lined up and each will hope they can outfinish the horses in front of him.

[burnsy]

I think it’s a good question. With the defections there are some low point horses that drew in there’s even a couple high point horses that don’t look great. That adds up to some that may be desperate. Before the point system a few or one of those would just go. I mean , years ago there were some that would be pretty much rabbits. No chance but they go setting up the melt down and more open results. Lately , the favorites with tactical speed have been able to script this race . Last year may not count but it was a two horse race. Some years before that it was a one horse race although they took one of those down . The mad scramble for the lead is rare now. Maybe this year?

[boys at tosconova]

Originally Posted by burnsy

I think it’s a good question. With the defections there are some low point horses that drew in there’s even a couple high point horses that don’t look great. That adds up to some that may be desperate. Before the point system a few or one of those would just go. I mean , years ago there were some that would be pretty much rabbits. No chance but they go setting up the melt down and more open results. Lately , the favorites with tactical speed have been able to script this race . Last year may not count but it was a two horse race. Some years before that it was a one horse race although they took one of those down . The mad scramble for the lead is rare now. Maybe this year?

i hate saying "anything can happen". but when you possibly have half the field wanting position all it takes is a couple of them getting greedy and wanting to advance more than they should early.. i don't think that will happen, but there's always a chance.

you have to realize every year it seems like half the field doesn't even show up as well.

i think the boat race tradition continues. and if a price comes in you likely won't have that horse. it's never the best closer or the one you pick.

even if eq doesn't win the other horses are close to him to the point it wont be an upset

[burnsy]

I agree and feel the same way. It’s been the trend. But many times I think something like that in this game and get burned. Just like you said. It will be one I would of never liked . I call those girlfriend and wife horses. She will bet names , colors , anything . She hit Bourbonic a few weeks ago. I sat there with nada.

[rastajenk]

Originally Posted by burnsy

I call those girlfriend and wife horses. She will bet names , colors , anything . She hit Bourbonic a few weeks ago. I sat there with nada.

I hear ya, bro'.

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[f2tornado]

No CR further supports the lack of real speed in this renewal. I believe we're down to three that had a last out Brisnet E1 and/or E2 of 100+: RYW, SS, and MS. One of these types almost always hits the tri.

[Sparky13]

I am too lazy to look, but how many of the Derby horses have Beyers at 100 or above?

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by Sparky13

I am too lazy to look, but how many of the Derby horses have Beyers at 100 or above?

Look here.

[rastajenk]

That list looks pathetic, compared to one from 10-15 years ago or more. You can put a hat over the top six; top ten with a slightly larger hat. That really narrows it down.

[capitalman]

With Caddo River out Rock Your World will lead them wire to wire. Look for Dynamic One to clunk up late for 2nd & complete a nice exacta.