W O W ! ! ! !

[NY BRED]

one very special Tbred who overcame adversity out of the gate in the
World Cup and won handily..

I'm not about to compare this special Tbred to the usual suspects .

At tthis point Arrogate has won 17,000,000 ++.

One certain thought is Bob Baffert's ROI must be off the charts for these past two years.

[MonmouthParkJoe]

Just glad I go to see him in person once. I can tell my kids about that.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by GaryG

I don't have much to add, but I have been watching races since Gallant Man and Round Table and I have never seen anything like this. There are just no words.

One other thing, I was glad to see mostpost include Citation among the all time greats. I thought I was alone with that one. You have to look at Big Cy's record before the injury, not when they brought him back at five to chase the $1 mil.

That's totally not true. Citation was just as good at 5 as he was at 3. He ran what would have been world records at three distances, and a track record at a fourth. It just happens that in 3 of those races (plus one other), Noor finished ahead of him.

Citation at 6, you would have a point. But Citation at 5 was sublime.

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

After that break, I said to myself, we're either going to see an absolute legend in the making, or another case of "oh well, that's racing."

Game, set and match.

I may have to update my avatar here...and that's saying something.

In the last 50 years, I have been privilege to see following great horses live: Secretariat, Dr. Fager. Zenyatta, and now Arrogate: I have lived a charmed life.

[ultracapper]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

For those who missed the race, here it is:
https://youtu.be/gi-LRY7efVA

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!

Bet that one back in his next.

[olddaddy]

I saw nothing special in smiths ride, just keep him wide and stay in the saddle.
I doubt we will ever see this horse have to give its all. Truly special horse.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by rsetup

Except for the last part of the stretch turn, he was ALWAYS behind horses. Masterful ride by Smith, in that respect. Even going into the stretch turn he had him behind/between horses. More important to me than being wide on the backstretch.

By comparison, Gun Runner and, of course, Hoppertunity (with Johnny V up) never got any cover.

Anyone know here the results charts for the card are located?

I'm looking around for more official looking charts, but here's the Trakus data (ground loss is in meters).

http://www.dubairacingclub.com/race/...o/trakus-chart

A lot of horses came from well off the pace today (more than the typical dirt surface or at Meydan when I've watched), but interestingly enough in the World Cup the 2-3-4 early runners all hung around late. Not clear to me how much that has to do with the quality of the rest of the closers vs pace and development. There wasn't a lot of quality after the US runners. Only Hoppy and Keen Ice passed some horses.

[ultracapper]

Originally Posted by olddaddy

I saw nothing special in smiths ride, just keep him wide and stay in the saddle.
I doubt we will ever see this horse have to give its all. Truly special horse.

Great post.

Uuuhhhhm

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

Same here.

He has to flatten, right? You can't make up that kind of ground going outside the entire field for the entire race. At 6F, maybe. At 10, and against some of the best on the planet? No.

The ridiculous part is he had more left in the tank. The more I think about it, the more incredible it becomes.

I'm not being dismissive of the horse because like others, I think he may be the best I've seen in my adult lifetime.

But I'm going to disagree with the above. Of course horses can make up the distance - that's what a deep closer does. Think Zenyatta for a recent top deep closer. What's impressive is that he is so versatile to win one from way out of it as easily as he does on the pace.

Also, don't let the purse or the race being run in a foreign land make you overrate the competition. The best competition in this race were all the Americans, meaning Gun Runner. Gun Runner ran very well, but Arrogate beat better when he beat Cali Chrome in the BCC (and the Pegasus, but Cali Chrome didn't run his race that day).

I don't see any males on the horizon who can touch Arrogate. The 2 best females Songbird and Bella wouldnt have a chance either (yes, I realize Bella's age makes it preposterous to even suggest she might, just included her because she's the only other potential superstar we currently have).

Pretty awesome. No chink in this colt's armor unless it ends up being his sire.

[gabe]

How does Baffert keep getting these monsters?

Top 5 of all time no doubt.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

I'm not being dismissive of the horse because like others, I think he may be the best I've seen in my adult lifetime.

But I'm going to disagree with the above. Of course horses can make up the distance - that's what a deep closer does. Think Zenyatta for a recent top deep closer. What's impressive is that he is so versatile to win one from way out of it as easily as he does on the pace.

Are you a politician? Because what you just stated contradicts itself way beyond even comedic relief.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by ultracapper

Great post.

Uuuhhhhm

It wasn't a great ride. It was less than average ride, and just a jock on a great horse.

Just last weekend, Terra Promessa was "supposed" to be on the front end just like Arrogate today.

Ortiz got the hammer on this very site for his crap ride on TP.

Now we annoint Smith with a great ride?

Color me confused.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

It wasn't a great ride. It was less than average ride, and just a jock on a great horse.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you...and by doing so, I feel I'm feeding into some purposeful behavior on your part, but I'll do it anyway.

It was a great ride. Why? Because Smith didn't PANIC when adversity displayed its ugly head at the start. Was it Smith's fault Arrogate got hammered coming out of the gate? I don't believe so.

Another jock would have seen himself taken immediately out of his horse's usual game and start hitting that panic button. Maybe I should push him early to get back in touch with the field? Holy shit am I going wide! Maybe I need to hustle him inside to save some ground here...what the hell am I going to do?

No, Smith didn't panic. He knew he was on the best horse in the race and he decided to let the horse dictate the situation instead of taking matters into his own hands and dictating to Arrogate what should be done.

This is a far cry from the Terra Promessa ride you refer to...but I don't need to explain any of this to you...it should be obvious to anyone who watched the two races and isn't a complete novice at the game.

[whodoyoulike]

Thanks TVGfan!

Now, the question I want to ask you is, where do you get these clear replays i.e., this one and the OP race last week?

Actually, where do you guys go to watch races like DWC, and apparently live?

But realize, I do appreciate everyone supplying the replays. It's always nice to see what everyone is discussing.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I shouldn't have to explain this to you...and by doing so, I feel I'm feeding into some purposeful behavior on your part, but I'll do it anyway.

It was a great ride. Why? Because Smith didn't PANIC when adversity displayed its ugly head at the start. Was it Smith's fault Arrogate got hammered coming out of the gate? I don't believe so.

Another jock would have seen himself taken immediately out of his horse's usual game and start hitting that panic button. Maybe I should push him early to get back in touch with the field? Holy shit am I going wide! Maybe I need to hustle him inside to save some ground here...what the hell am I going to do?

No, Smith didn't panic. He knew he was on the best horse in the race and he decided to let the horse dictate the situation instead of taking matters into his own hands and dictating to Arrogate what should be done.

This is a far cry from the Terra Promessa ride you refer to...but I don't need to explain any of this to you...it should be obvious to anyone who watched the two races and isn't a complete novice at the game.

Didn't know you were a novice.