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09-13-2022, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
70,000 people were packed into SoFi Sunday for the Raiders-Chargers. I wouldn't overstate this issue.
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Yeah but that was mostly Raiders fans. They are a different breed.
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09-13-2022, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
70,000 people were packed into SoFi Sunday for the Raiders-Chargers. I wouldn't overstate this issue.
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Comparing the heart of Los Angeles for the NFL and San Diego for horse racing is not a good comparison.
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09-13-2022, 05:29 PM
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Comparing the heart of Los Angeles for the NFL and San Diego for horse racing is not a good comparison.
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The Padres have had a bunch of sellouts this year.
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09-13-2022, 08:39 PM
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From what I heard Del Mar isn't pushing attendance because they want the fans that show up to have a great experience. If you pack as many people in and they don't come back you lose a customer for life. So they will take less fans coming into the place but have them keep coming back as repeat customers.
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there was also no distinction between the clubhouse and the GA section this year.
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09-13-2022, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
The Padres have had a bunch of sellouts this year.
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The MLB, another sport with a huge following compared to Horse Racing.
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09-14-2022, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuffdaddy
The MLB, another sport with a huge following compared to Horse Racing.
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There was a time not all that long ago when Del Mar's average attendance exceeded the Padres, especially if you didn't count the no-shows (this is deep in the weeds but MLB used to announce actual attendance but now announces tickets sold).
Del Mar, in other words, HAD a huge following. It has lost it. These attendance numbers are bad news for the sport in California.
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09-14-2022, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Del Mar, in other words, HAD a huge following. It has lost it. These attendance numbers are bad news for the sport in California.
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I love CA racing when it's being done right. I thought DMR had a terrific meet. Part of me hopes the sport recovers fully there and does very well. But the more analytical part of me thinks the politics are too hostile for that to happen. The long term prognosis is not good.
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09-14-2022, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
There was a time not all that long ago when Del Mar's average attendance exceeded the Padres, especially if you didn't count the no-shows (this is deep in the weeds but MLB used to announce actual attendance but now announces tickets sold).
Del Mar, in other words, HAD a huge following. It has lost it. These attendance numbers are bad news for the sport in California.
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Prior to ADW's they certainly did, it was much different times. I agree that horse racing had done very little to change their mindset to draw more crowds. The concert series at Del Mar was a good draw.
The Padres moved to downtown and have lots of draw for all fans with many resteraunts, bars, and entertainment within walking distance of the stadium.
Just feel it is a bad comparison to use attendance numbers from the NFL and MLB to prove that racing is dead in California.
Last edited by Cuffdaddy; 09-14-2022 at 10:22 AM.
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09-14-2022, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuffdaddy
Prior to ADW's they certainly did, it was much different times.
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Del Mar's attendance is way down even from numbers it put up in the internet wagering era.
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09-14-2022, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Del Mar's attendance is way down even from numbers it put up in the internet wagering era.
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Just not buying you pointing to attendance to make a point that California racing is dead or close to death. You used the NFL and MLB numbers to bolster your point, why not include World Cup Soccer attendance numbers as well.
Wagering dollars are huge, attendance will not be the reason or barometer for the demise of racing in So Cal.
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09-14-2022, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuffdaddy
Just not buying you pointing to attendance to make a point that California racing is dead or close to death. You used the NFL and MLB numbers to bolster your point, why not include World Cup Soccer attendance numbers as well.
Wagering dollars are huge, attendance will not be the reason or barometer for the demise of racing in So Cal.
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Del Mar is specifically an attendance driven track. Why race at Del Mar rather than, say, holding the races in a low population, low rent area? The answer is because Del Mar is a facility designed to draw live attendance. It's a vacation track, like Oaklawn, Monmouth, or especially Saratoga (the track that it gets compared to most).
And drawing live attendance to facilities like Del Mar is important because these tend to be new fans. Del Mar crowds always were skewed towards the young. Lots of young women having a good time drinking margaritas and wearing summer dresses.
If Del Mar is unable to draw live attendance anymore, that is extremely bad for the future of California racing because it means that we are unable to attract people to come to the races anymore, even at what may be the most beautiful racetrack in America.
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09-14-2022, 12:38 PM
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If Del Mar is unable to draw live attendance anymore, that is extremely bad for the future of California racing because it means that we are unable to attract people to come to the races anymore, even at what may be the most beautiful racetrack in America.[/QUOTE]
They stopped the big concert draw coming off Covid restrictions. That is a huge factor when you are looking at the last 3 seasons, those events draw the young crowds and it spilled over to regular days. Marketing is a gigantic factor and there is way more to do here during those summer months of perfect beach weather.
Been attending the So Cal circuit since the late 70's. Short term attendance numbers are not telling any story.
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09-14-2022, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Del Mar is specifically an attendance driven track. Why race at Del Mar rather than, say, holding the races in a low population, low rent area? The answer is because Del Mar is a facility designed to draw live attendance. It's a vacation track, like Oaklawn, Monmouth, or especially Saratoga (the track that it gets compared to most).
And drawing live attendance to facilities like Del Mar is important because these tend to be new fans. Del Mar crowds always were skewed towards the young. Lots of young women having a good time drinking margaritas and wearing summer dresses.
If Del Mar is unable to draw live attendance anymore, that is extremely bad for the future of California racing because it means that we are unable to attract people to come to the races anymore, even at what may be the most beautiful racetrack in America.
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Agreed. It's an inconvenient truth about CA racing.
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09-14-2022, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC
Agreed. It's an inconvenient truth about CA racing.
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It's not that they're unable to get bodies there. They don't want to spend the marketing money to do it. Like I said previously they are content with 10k or so on weekends
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09-14-2022, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
I love CA racing when it's being done right. I thought DMR had a terrific meet. Part of me hopes the sport recovers fully there and does very well. But the more analytical part of me thinks the politics are too hostile for that to happen. The long term prognosis is not good.
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I am not sure California racing can survive lone term unless some drastic changes occur, even for the satisfaction of political/animal rights groups.
The product in Northern California (including the fairs) is abysmal now, Los Al racing stinks and Santa Anita races for too long now.
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