The Bid vs Slew

[Casino]

1 1/4 at Belmont who wins the match race?Imo Bid was the better horse.

[Cardus]

In responsible hands, this would be one hell of a debate.

The Bid was better, but it's not a slam dunk.

[Shemp Howard]

Who's riding?

[Casino]

Originally Posted by Shemp Howard

Who's riding?

Shoe on Bid,Codero rides the Slew.

[Casino]

The Bid was the greatest horse i have ever seen.IMO he was also better then Affirmed.His 4 year old season was one of THE greatest of any horse,

Four-year-old season
As a four year old, Spectacular Bid started in nine races, winning them all for winnings of US$1,117,790. He set four new track records at distances of 7 furlongs, 1 mile, 1¼ miles, and twice at 1⅛ miles.
His first three races, were part of the "Strub Series", all held at the Santa Anita Park course which the late Charles H. Strub owned and built. Spectacular Bid carried 126 pounds in each race and defeated Flying Paster each time. The first race in the series was the Grade II Malibu Stakes at 7 furlongs; Spectacular Bid ran the distance in 1:20 which stood as a track record for 27 years until Santa Anita removed its dirt track in favor of an artificial surface. Then he won the Grade II San Fernando Stakes, and finally, he won the Grade I Strub Stakes at 1¼ miles, running the fastest 1¼ miles ever run on a dirt track, 1:574⁄5 and breaking a 30 year old record of 1:581⁄5 set by Hall of Famer Noor under 130 pounds in his fourth defeat of Triple Crown winner Citation in 1950. As at 2011, Spectacular Bid's time still stands as the world record on a dirt track.
Spectacular Bid went on to win the Grade I Santa Anita Handicap (carrying 130 lbs) on a sloppy track March 2; then, he moved to Hollywood Park Racetrack where he won the Mervyn Leroy Handicap carrying 132 lbs on May 18 and the Grade I Californian Stakes carrying 130 lbs in a track record time of 1:454⁄5. He then shipped to Arlington Park to win the Grade III Washington Park Handicap under 130 lbs, setting another track record, 1:461⁄5 for 1⅛ miles. Then it was on to Monmouth Park for the Grade I Monmouth Handicap which he won under 132 lbs, defeating the champion filly Glorious Song.
He concluded with a walkover in the Woodward Stakes on September 20, 1980 at Belmont, covering the 1¼ miles in 2:022⁄5. A plan to race in the Jockey Club Gold Cup was aborted on the day of the race when a leg injury flared up. Delp thereafter announced his retirement.
During his final year, he compiled then-record earnings of US$2,781,607, and was named Horse of the Year, as well as winning the Eclipse Award for the American Champion Older Male Horse

[Casino]

Franklin Bids rider thru his triple crown shouldve been replace after Delp called him a "idiot you almost killed my horse"


Spectacular Bid's second year of racing began where his first left off, reeling off 5 wins in rapid succession: the Hutcheson Stakes, the Fountain of Youth, the Florida Derby (all at Gulfstream Park), the Flamingo Stakes (at Hialeah), and the Blue Grass Stakes (at Keeneland Race Course). In the Florida Derby, Franklin had ridden Spectacular Bid so poorly that Delp reprimanded him in public. "You idiot!""You nearly killed that horse!" Nonetheless, the horse won by 4½ lengths.

[Casino]

Many dont remember Franklin and Codero had gotten into a fist fight early in the card read on....
Spectacular Bid's ill-fated attempt at the Triple Crown began with the Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs in May 1979. He began the race as the odds-on favorite, with the California champion, Flying Paster, as the bettors' second choice. His trainer, Bud Delp was so confident of victory that as the horse paraded in front of the fans, he called out to them "Go bet! Go bet!". Spectacular Bid went on to win by 2¾ lengths over General Assembly, a very well bred son of Secretariat, and after suffering a leg cut during the race, Flying Paster finished fifth. After Spectacular Bid, the two-year-old champion would not win the Kentucky Derby again until Street Sense in 2007.
Spectacular Bid's next step in the quest for the Triple Crown came at the Preakness Stakes at Pimlico. Bumped early, he ran wide and by the final stretch was in command. He handily won the race, outpacing his nearest competitor by 5½ lengths. What was more stunning was the time on the clock; Spectacular Bid had run the course faster than either Seattle Slew or Affirmed, and by official time faster than Secretariat (though Secretariat's time in this race was embroiled in controversy). The stage was set for the Belmont Stakes.
The morning of the Belmont, a freak accident was discovered; Spectacular Bid had stepped on a safety pin. The pin had become embedded in the hoof, later leading to an infection that threatened his life and requiring the hoof to be drilled to cure the problem. However, after the discovery of the injury Spectacular Bid was not seen to be lame, and was entered into the race. Several days prior to the race, his teenaged jockey, Ronnie Franklin, engaged in a fist fight with Angel Cordero, Jr. in the jockey's preparation room due to a dispute over an earlier race at Belmont. (Franklin felt Cordero interfered with his horse, causing him to have to pull up.) With the knowledge of Spectacular Bid's injury and the recent fist fight, Franklin ran a poor race, gunning Spectacular Bid early in the long race. Spectacular Bid faded to third behind Coastal and Golden Act, horses Spectacular Bid had defeated in other major races. This race was the last with Franklin as Spectacular Bid's jockey.
Spectacular Bid's failure to win the Belmont began a long, record-setting thirty-three year drought since Affirmed's Triple Crown win of the year before. This drought has continued on with Animal Kingdom's 2011 ill-fated run at the elusive championship.

[Casino]

Track Records:

1978 - Pimlico record, 5 1/2 furlongs, 1:04.2 (tied)
1978 - Laurel record, 8 1/2 furlongs, 1:41.6
1979 - Delaware Park record, 8 1/2 furlongs, 1:41.6
1979 - Meadowlands record, 10 furlongs, 2:01.2
1980 - Santa Anita record, 7 furlongs, 1:20
1980 - American record, any track, 10 furlongs, Santa Anita, 1:57.8 (still stands)
1980 - Hollywood Park record, 9 furlongs, 1:45.8
1980 - Arlington Park, 9 furlongs, 1:46.2

From short to long.

[Broad Brush]

I think both are great truly great horses.
Since nobody has stated the Slew would be the winner in a Match Race..I will.

Slew could carry a very fast pace and keep going. Horses who must have
the lead and set fast paces always get less respect than those who finish well.
Setting a brutal pace takes a lot out of you, but Slew could still set fast final times.

In a match race this is key to victory. Slew would have a huge edge over
The Bid.

While tracks can change from day to day, here are some of their common races
with the pace they set:

The Flamingo: Slew: 45.2, 1:09.0, 1:34.0, 1:47.4
The Bid: 46.0, 1:09.6, 1:35.2, 1:48.4

KyDerby: Slew: 45.8, 1:10.6, 1:36.0, 2:02.2
The Bid (10-lts off of) 47.4, 1:12.4, 1:37.6, 2:02.4

Preakness Slew: 45.6, 1:09.8, 1:34.8, 1:54.4
The Bid: (5 lts off of) 46.8, 1:10.6, 1:35, 1:54.2

Slew would be long gone in a match race.

[Tom]

Have all safety pins been accounted for?

[Zaf]

Originally Posted by Tom

Have all safety pins been accounted for?

[nijinski]

Just a small factor in The Bid's Belmont from Ronnie Franklin 1/9/07 USA Today


Franklin doesn't duck any responsibility for Bid's loss.

"I made a mistake," he said. "I wasn't used to riding races a mile-and-a-half. If I'd have ridden him differently, he might have won. I don't think of that as so much a sad experience as a learning experience."

[v j stauffer]

Who draws post 1 ?

[Casino]

Originally Posted by Broad Brush

I think both are great truly great horses.
Since nobody has stated the Slew would be the winner in a Match Race..I will.

Slew could carry a very fast pace and keep going. Horses who must have
the lead and set fast paces always get less respect than those who finish well.
Setting a brutal pace takes a lot out of you, but Slew could still set fast final times.

In a match race this is key to victory. Slew would have a huge edge over
The Bid.

While tracks can change from day to day, here are some of their common races
with the pace they set:

The Flamingo: Slew: 45.2, 1:09.0, 1:34.0, 1:47.4
The Bid: 46.0, 1:09.6, 1:35.2, 1:48.4

KyDerby: Slew: 45.8, 1:10.6, 1:36.0, 2:02.2
The Bid (10-lts off of) 47.4, 1:12.4, 1:37.6, 2:02.4

Preakness Slew: 45.6, 1:09.8, 1:34.8, 1:54.4
The Bid: (5 lts off of) 46.8, 1:10.6, 1:35, 1:54.2

Slew would be long gone in a match race.

Broad Brush,not that easy,Bid was just as fast.Bid also traveled anywhere in the country won and set track records,Slew's only trip to the west coast he lost to JO Tobin and i know the excuse of he was a tired horse after the TC,Bid ran a month later after the Belmont and set a track record.Are you in agreement he was better then Affirmed?

[Canarsie]

Both great horses but ever since Ruffian I despise match races.

It's surprising someone hasn't run this model through a computer a thousand times and see who would have won over 50%. It might make for an even more compelling argument for both sides.

Can I supplement Kelso?