Candace Owens - still my hero

[PaceAdvantage]

TIL, it's not ok for Candace Owens to bring up Hitler when talking about Nationalism, but it's AOK for every Tom, Dick & Harry Trump hater to bring up Hitler when talking about Donald Trump.

Like Beto just did. And apparently Ely has ZERO problem with that, unless I somehow missed a post.

OK. Got it buddy.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

TIL, it's not ok for Candace Owens to bring up Hitler when talking about Nationalism, but it's AOK for every Tom, Dick & Harry Trump hater to bring up Hitler when talking about Donald Trump.

Like Beto just did. And apparently Ely has ZERO problem with that, unless I somehow missed a post.

OK. Got it buddy.

Bringing up Hitler is step one... its that second step that sets your "hero" apart from us.

You could've just filed this under "things that haven't aged well" but... here we are.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

She's at the hearing today on Hate Crimes and White Nationalism today because Republicans invited her because who better to have than <Token Black Person>.

She has a loyal fan base...extending even to New Zealand.

[JustRalph]

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[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/s...40315158982658

Bahahaha!

Of course they're defending Candace Owens...

[MargieRose]

And...the rest of the story. Owens exposed Nadler as the fool that he is.

ttps://twitter.com/cspan/status/1115674485699616769

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

And...the rest of the story. Owens exposed Nadler as the fool that he is.

ttps://twitter.com/cspan/status/1115674485699616769

“He was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine. The problem is that he wanted, he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German. Everybody to look a different way. To me, that’s not nationalism. In thinking about how we could go bad down the line, I don’t really have an issue with nationalism. I really don’t.”

[MargieRose]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Bahahaha!

Of course they're defending Candace Owens...

What do find to be so funny? Is there anything that she espoused not a valid commentary and that should not be supported?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

What do find to be so funny? Is there anything that she espoused not a valid commentary and that should not be supported?

No...

This is the new rebranding of terms because Trump uses them even though that's kinda a chicken/egg debate.

The newest twist these days, if you follow the likes of PragerU or TPUSA (Candace's organization), is that Hitler wasn't really a nationalist he was a globalist (hilariously false and a two-fer) and he was a socialist(again false).

It's an attempt to mainstream terms that have been dogwhistles for White Supremacists while changing what they have meant to mainstreamers for over 100 years.

[Tom]

And are being used incorrectly today.
When you can't debate, label.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

And are being used incorrectly today.
When you can't debate, label.

There is a reason the right uses the word Nationalism instead of Patriotism... that's dog-whistling.

Simultaneously...

There is a reason the right attempts to discredit the nationalism of Hitler and the Nazi party even though its the basic premise for Mein Kampf... that's mainstreaming.

[Tom]

Trumps' nationalism is nothing at all like Hitler's nationalism, as the LEFT would have us all believe.

The left has nothing to counter Trump with other than lies and labels.

And you know it.

And policies like the Green BF Deal are far closer to the NAzis than anything Trump has proposed or done.

[MargieRose]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

No...

This is the new rebranding of terms because Trump uses them even though that's kinda a chicken/egg debate.

The newest twist these days, if you follow the likes of PragerU or TPUSA (Candace's organization), is that Hitler wasn't really a nationalist he was a globalist (hilariously false and a two-fer) and he was a socialist(again false).

It's an attempt to mainstream terms that have been dogwhistles for White Supremacists while changing what they have meant to mainstreamers for over 100 years.

I consider myself to be a 'nationalist' and I'm white. Are you now going to dare to relegate me to being a White Supremacists or a target for their ideology, as well?

BTW, you replied "No" to my question...glad to see that you agree.

BBTW, I would have been one of those "very fine people" at Charlottesville that day. I would have been against destroying an historical landmark, which is what I took Trump's comment to mean...nothing more, nothing less.

You're trying to twist Owens' comments about Hitler in the same way.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

Trumps' nationalism is nothing at all like Hitler's nationalism, as the LEFT would have us all believe.

The left has nothing to counter Trump with other than lies and labels.

And you know it.

And policies like the Green BF Deal are far closer to the NAzis than anything Trump has proposed or done.

Trump uses the exact same words in his rhetoric as Hitler did... that's why its dog-whistling.

"I'm a nationalist not a globalist."

There are other far less offensive or loaded terms than those to use but the choice is being made to use those.

As far as the rest of your post I have no problems countering Trump on substantive issues. I do it here all the time. I'd hope the left is capable of it.

Then you have to take a dig on the Green New Deal and I'll bite.

The Green New Deal is a solution being put forth by far left elements of the Democratic Party... the dyed in the wool socialists... surely we can agree on that?

Where we will disagree is the association of that with the Nazis. The Nazis, the party who jailed the socialists and trade unionists, who are a right-wing extremist position wouldn't go for that... its not their jam.

If you wanted to go Pol Pot, Mao and the Great Leap Forward, or Venezuela... sure you have a point.

Nazis... no.

Finally, after we admit the left/right have problems with the extremist wings of their respective sides. We have to ask which ones are the more prominent standard bearers for their wings at the moment? On one hand Biden, the most conservative in the field, is crushing in the polls. In the other we have Trump.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

I consider myself to be a 'nationalist' and I'm white. Are you now going to dare to relegate me to being a White Supremacists or a target for their ideology, as well?

BTW, you replied "No" to my question...glad to see that you agree.

BBTW, I would have been one of those "very fine people" at Charlottesville that day. I would have been against destroying an historical landmark, which is what I took Trump's comment to mean...nothing more, nothing less.

You're trying to twist Owens' comments about Hitler in the same way.

Nah... you don't have to be. They'll be whatever you want them to mean. To those people like white nationalists, neo-Nazis, etc. they mean a helluva lot though...

Don't believe me take a look at what the New Zealand shooter said about Trump and the reclamation of "white identity."

So now to turn this back at you why would on earth would someone willingly pick descriptors that are the root causes of catastrophes of the early 20th century?

Especially when there are others less offensive and readily available.

I cant speak for you but I can certainly assume people in power are using that language because it helps not hurts them.



I didn't agree probably just tripped myself up in counting the negatives in my head.



I'd rather not rehash this... but keep it on the topic of the rhetoric and language being used. I feel his handling of Charlottesville enhances my position.



Candace Owen's comments about Hitler aren't taken out of context at all. The video is readily available. She was asked a question about Nationalism and chose to invoke and then defend Hitler's domestic vision.

The problem with Candace Owen's is she's a complete hack. Hell, yesterday she denied the existence of the Southern Strategy... that's some pretty hardcore revisionist history there.

Its endemic on the right now though and part of this "I'm rubber and you're glue" defense that people like her and Dinesh D'souza propagate. Its nonsense... the left is the left and the right is the right. The Republican Party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt was the liberal party on the spectrum.

I'm politically on the right most the time but I can own the bad parts of the right. Just like liberals have to own the bad parts of their own wing... I even mentioned several in my post to Tom.

Hell, if the right owns the Atrocities of the first half of the 20th century the left certainly owns the ones in the second half.

Instead though we have people like Candace Owen's who wants to blow the dog-whistle of Nationalism while simultaneously mainstreaming away the worst parts of it with "Hitler was a globalist" which is utter bullshit.