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Old 06-06-2018, 01:54 PM   #1
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PP Stats for Mohawk

Does anybody have post position winning statistics for Mohawk?

The track program pp's I download from their website only have early this year. April, I believe.
Nothing current.

I noticed a trotter won from the 10 last night and their old data showed zero wins from that post previously.

I wish they'd update their program information and make it up to date!

In the meantime, does anyone here have anything current?

Thanks.

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Old 06-06-2018, 03:10 PM   #2
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Denny, here is the current one:-

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Winning Post Positions
April 12 to June 5, 2018

Pace
              1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9   10   11
              -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   --   --
Starts      225  225  225  225  225  222  214  187  132   73    2
Win          29   23   17   30   38   42   22   13    7    4    0
Win%       12.9 10.2  7.6 13.3 16.9 18.9 10.3  7.0  5.3  5.5  0.0

Trot
              1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9   10   11
              -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   --   --
Starts      109  109  109  109  109  108  104   91   78   52    1
Win           7   16   11   15   17   24    5    6    6    2    0
Win%        6.4 14.7 10.1 13.8 15.6 22.2  4.8  6.6  7.7  3.8  0.0
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Old 06-06-2018, 05:15 PM   #3
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Denny, here is the current one:-

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Winning Post Positions
April 12 to June 5, 2018

Pace
              1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9   10   11
              -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   --   --
Starts      225  225  225  225  225  222  214  187  132   73    2
Win          29   23   17   30   38   42   22   13    7    4    0
Win%       12.9 10.2  7.6 13.3 16.9 18.9 10.3  7.0  5.3  5.5  0.0

Trot
              1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9   10   11
              -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   --   --
Starts      109  109  109  109  109  108  104   91   78   52    1
Win           7   16   11   15   17   24    5    6    6    2    0
Win%        6.4 14.7 10.1 13.8 15.6 22.2  4.8  6.6  7.7  3.8  0.0



Ed can you tell us from where you got the above stats?
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Old 06-06-2018, 10:12 PM   #4
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Ed can you tell us from where you got the above stats?
Thank you Ed.
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Ed can you tell us from where you got the above stats?
SB, I just got home late tonight.

http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/con...hawk-park.html
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Denny, here is the current one:-

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Winning Post Positions
April 12 to June 5, 2018

Pace
              1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9   10   11
              -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   --   --
Starts      225  225  225  225  225  222  214  187  132   73    2
Win          29   23   17   30   38   42   22   13    7    4    0
Win%       12.9 10.2  7.6 13.3 16.9 18.9 10.3  7.0  5.3  5.5  0.0

Trot
              1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9   10   11
              -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   --   --
Starts      109  109  109  109  109  108  104   91   78   52    1
Win           7   16   11   15   17   24    5    6    6    2    0
Win%        6.4 14.7 10.1 13.8 15.6 22.2  4.8  6.6  7.7  3.8  0.0

I just started to follow this track for the first time. These post position stats are pretty biased for a two turn track. Compare to the Meadowlands where post 1 is winning at 7.7 this year, post 8 is 10.9, post 9 is 8.2 and post 10 is 8. So in other words, the Meadowlands does not have a post position bias, perhaps one of the reasons why it's the number 1 track in terms of handle.
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:34 PM   #8
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I just started to follow this track for the first time. These post position stats are pretty biased for a two turn track. Compare to the Meadowlands where post 1 is winning at 7.7 this year, post 8 is 10.9, post 9 is 8.2 and post 10 is 8. So in other words, the Meadowlands does not have a post position bias, perhaps one of the reasons why it's the number 1 track in terms of handle.
Meadowlands is still my favorite, but, two nights a week just isn't enough.

I'd like to see a more even distribution of winning posts at Mohawk.
Trotters have almost no chance from several posts. Pacers a little better.

You would think with that long run to the first turn, things would be fairer at Mohawk.

Can anybody explain why they aren't?

I'd like to play them regularly with racing 5 days a week!

Pandy,
Do you know if the stats for Yonkers are any less biased since they eliminated the passing lane?
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If you wanna know post stats for any other tracks in Canada besides Mohawk go to this link


http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/con...an-tracks.html
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Meadowlands is still my favorite, but, two nights a week just isn't enough.

I'd like to see a more even distribution of winning posts at Mohawk.
Trotters have almost no chance from several posts. Pacers a little better.

You would think with that long run to the first turn, things would be fairer at Mohawk.

Can anybody explain why they aren't?

I'd like to play them regularly with racing 5 days a week!

Pandy,
Do you know if the stats for Yonkers are any less biased since they eliminated the passing lane?
As far as post position, I don't think the removal of the passing lane has helped the post position bias much. Moving the finish line back to the old one did help the outside posts a little, because they have more room to leave before they hit the turn, but Yonkers, like all half mile tracks, is dominated by posts 1 through 5. I do think the races are a little better, overall.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:32 PM   #11
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Mohawk is going to be my main track going forward.
(I'm dropping thoroughbreds for a while)

Thanks for the pp info, everyone.

Couple of questions.
Why does 5 and 6 win so much?
Why don't pacers or trotters win much from the outside?
Why is the 1 not so good for trotters, even though 2 is very good?

Are these just anomalies from too few races?
Or are these the normal for Mohawk?

Thanks
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:17 PM   #12
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Mohawk Posts 5 and 6 are also the best for ROI compared to the other post positions.

also:
Garnet Barnsdale always has good info for betting Woodbine-Mohawk at DRF

http://www.drf.com/harness

If I'm reading his meet stats right, those are strong numbers on returns for Apr 12-to date, 330+races
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:14 PM   #13
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I follow Pompano Park during the Winter.
Post 5 wins twice as much as any other post, (other than maybe the 4, but, still considerably more).
The Trackmaster pp's have the 5 at 60+ rating always.
I swear it's because the 5 drafts behind the Hummer before the start.
It's always right behind the car drafting.

The Meadows also starts the 5 directly behind the car and has the highest win percentage.

Can this be happening elsewhere? Perhaps to a lesser extent.

The 5 and 6 start right in line with the start car's tire tracks, which compress the track cushion, at 7/8 and 1-mile tracks. Giving these posts an edge.

How else to explain the winning percentages of these two starting posts at Meadowlands and Mohawk.

It's consistent at every meet they run, year after year.
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:29 AM   #14
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Golden Post still does it!

Get yourself a 5% rebate have at it.....



Code:
Mohawk Apr 2016-Oct 2017 										
Post	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Races	2631	2631	2631	2631	2630	2625	2553	2334	1903	1364
Wins	256	297	270	318	408	446	295	165	133	73
Win%	10%	11%	10%	12%	16%	17%	12%	7%	7%	5%
ROI	0.66	0.70	0.64	0.80	0.80	0.96	0.88	0.53	0.61	0.52
										
Mohawk this year										
Post	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Races	615	615	615	615	615	614	593	520	410	286
Wins	67	69	75	65	101	122	61	31	24	11
Win%	11%	11%	12%	11%	16%	20%	10%	6%	6%	4%
ROI	0.49	0.69	0.85	0.62	0.76	0.97	0.53	0.34	0.55	0.61
Last night (7/14) ROI 0.93
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