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Old 03-09-2018, 06:48 AM   #16
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The anti tariff people act like foreign countries don't put tariffs on USA goods and let American made items flow into their country with ease.
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Old 03-09-2018, 07:08 AM   #17
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The anti tariff people act like foreign countries don't put tariffs on USA goods and let American made items flow into their country with ease.
Because for the most part they do. We keep talking about automobile tariffs ignoring the fact American companies produce their cars for the European market in Europe. Meanwhile European automakers make their cars for the US market in... you guessed it... America.

Shortening the time from completed product to market is another one of those rules of economics. Made possible by a global economy.
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Old 03-09-2018, 12:41 PM   #18
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The anti tariff people act like foreign countries don't put tariffs on USA goods and let American made items flow into their country with ease.
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They always leave so many obvious things out of the argument. Because things have been done for so long (idiotically), that should be our default presumption of what's right or what to do? Silliness. As if Trump hasn't proven this all wrong and his supporters right, with win after win after win.
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Old 03-09-2018, 01:58 PM   #19
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They always leave so many obvious things out of the argument. Because things have been done for so long (idiotically), that should be our default presumption of what's right or what to do? Silliness. As if Trump hasn't proven this all wrong and his supporters right, with win after win after win.
I answered that relatively easily...

Look at how many countries place duties on our agricultural exports. Almost none. We do food real cheap.

As an aside NAFTA devastated both Canadian and Mexican agri-industry.

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Old 03-09-2018, 03:23 PM   #20
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Look at how many countries place duties on our agricultural exports. Almost none. We do food real cheap.
They are all free to grow their own.
If we are selling cheap, we need to raise prices.

If they don't like it, let them eat cake!
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They are all free to grow their own.
If we are selling cheap, we need to raise prices.

If they don't like it, let them eat cake!
Nobody competes with America when it comes to agri-business.... nobody...
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Then stop worrying and eat your broccoli.
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Your in no position to demand a yes/no on anything. I see this issue a NAFTA that is in flux with our President who I support 110%. I give our President a wide latitude in dealing with trade and people who call themselves democrats.

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Your in no position to demand a yes/no on anything. I see this issue a NAFTA that is in flux with our President who I support 110%. I give our President a wide latitude in dealing with trade and people who call themselves democrats.
Uh huh...

U.S. eases way to more tariff exemptions under pressure from allies

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“The president can do exemptions and my expectation is there may be some other countries that he considers in the next two weeks,” Mnuchin said in an interview with broadcaster CNBC on Friday.
So I'll ask again... is it really a tariff on imports if all the major importers are exempt?

Feel free to keep dodging.
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U.S. eases way to more tariff exemptions under pressure from allies



So I'll ask again... is it really a tariff on imports if all the major importers are exempt?

Feel free to keep dodging.
I am not, policy is in flux, this is how this President operates. I have no idea what the final result will be so I will afford myself as much time to chew over policy that is not complete until such time that it is. Your need to be part of the resistance is duly noted.
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Unless there isn't one.
I'm not sure this reaction wasn't planned.
He might have drawn to an inside straight and got it.

We shall see.
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The free trade advocates remind me of that scene from Animal House.


After decades of getting our clock cleaned, rather than observing and admitting to reality they stick to fully discredited theory. It has to be the greatest case of cognitive bias in all human history. To be clear, I was guilty of it for about 20+ years also even as the evidence I was wrong first started trickling in. But it's obvious now.

Apparently years ago, the smartest and most honest guy in the room was Ross Perot.
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Unless there isn't one.
I'm not sure this reaction wasn't planned.
He might have drawn to an inside straight and got it.

We shall see.
Results matters, process doesn't.
Well the moving target on the policy makes the reaction understandably confused. The EU, South Korea and Japan will;

1) Seek exemption citing similar national security concerns.

2) If not granted will retaliate.
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