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09-12-2012, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Actor
"axing for?" Either that's a typo or you need to go back to school.
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Learn to accept the cultural differences of our disparate melting pot.
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Anyone seen Mostie? He seems to be avoiding this thread like the plague.
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09-12-2012, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Actor
"axing for?" Either that's a typo or you need to go back to school.
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Mac's use of slang is not new.
Must be the first time you've actually read something he's written.
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09-12-2012, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dartman51
If your house was burning down, and your kids, or your wife were trapped inside, would you stop the fireman going in to save them, risking his own life, and ask if he had a masters degree? How many firemen that went up the stairwells of the 2 WTC buildings, on 9/11, knowing that they probably wouldn't make it back, do you think had "masters degrees". You can have so many degrees that you are known as Dr. Fahrenheit, but it don't mean crap if you do a lousy job.  |
Big deal. Who's saying fireman aren't worth their pay? You just feel like being a hero. Stick with the topic.
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09-12-2012, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
How many teachers risk their lives every day?
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Some do by teaching in the inner cities.
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09-12-2012, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
Stick with the topic.
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Good point. When have you actually addressed the issues of the strike?
Are you even aware of the terms they're demanding?
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09-12-2012, 04:55 PM
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What do yo need to teach third grade?
A fourth grade diploma?  |
Trust me it's much more complicated than that.
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09-12-2012, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bigmack
What in the hell are you talking about? Teachers CHOSE to strike.
Are you aware of what they're axing for? Get informed, then get back to us.
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You nuts old man. It is all about the new performance ratings. Get with it.
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09-12-2012, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
In other words...teaching has been reduced to state-sponsored babysitting.
And they want more money for this?
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Let's say the teacher gets paid $75,000 per year and the school year is 36 weeks. That's $2,083 per week. If the student:teacher ratio is 30:1 then that's $68.44 per week per kid. Damned cheap day care. I think the current market rate for private day care is considerably higher.
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09-12-2012, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
You nuts old man. It is all about the new performance ratings. Get with it.
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Really? You sure?
I think I'll wait for Mostie. You're too clouded with emotion over the suffering teachers have to endure. 
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09-12-2012, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bigmack
Good point. When have you actually addressed the issues of the strike?
Are you even aware of the terms they're demanding?
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What do you think that I'm claiming to be walking the front line? Are you walking with the teachers and talking to them? Do you even have anybody in public schools?
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09-12-2012, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
What do you think that I'm claiming to be walking the front line? Are you walking with the teachers and talking to them? Do you even have anybody in public schools?
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I know the terms of why they're striking, which clearly, you don't.
I think the strike is preposterous. You'd have an opinion if you knew something, which, again, you clearly don't.
Ba Bye.
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09-12-2012, 06:09 PM
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Rather than respond to everyone individually about how I'm an old man who hates progress, "raves" about the Chicago teachers, and is "gettin' stale" before my time, let me post this from my time capsule:
The San Diego Padres have the lowest payroll in baseball. The Yankees have the highest. When one evaluates the performance of the Yanks and the Padres, do you use the same standards? Bud Black won 90 games in SD in 2010 and was named NL Manager of the Year. Joe Girardi won 89 games for the Yanks in 2008 and everybody talked about what a disappointing season the Yanks had.
In case you haven't guessed, the Chicago teachers are the SD Padres. The schools in the richest suburbs are the Yankees. Why would any sane person expect the Padres/Chicago teachers to match the Yankees/richest suburbs performance standards year after year?
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Last edited by NJ Stinks; 09-12-2012 at 06:16 PM.
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09-12-2012, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
It is all about the new performance ratings.
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This is absolutely the biggest sticking point to these negotiations. Al is correct here.
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09-12-2012, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
Big deal. Who's saying fireman aren't worth their pay? You just feel like being a hero. Stick with the topic.
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You were the one crying poor teachers, I was just making a comparison. You were the one that made the comment about teachers having more Masters Degrees than Firemen, so I was TOTALLY on topic. I'm not trying to make a case for firemen being worth their pay. I'm saying, compared to the Chicago teachers, they are way UNDERPAID. And, yes, as Joe Biden would say, "this is a BIG f@#$%ng deal", whether you think so or not.
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09-12-2012, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by NJ Stinks
In case you haven't guessed, the Chicago teachers are the SD Padres. The schools in the richest suburbs are the Yankees. Why would any sane person expect the Padres/Chicago teachers to match the Yankees/richest suburbs performance standards year after year?
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Let's consider MLB games being 'standards testing' and the WS wieners being the best performing under such standards.
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31% of WS Champions in the last 16 years have come from outside the top tier of teams in terms of payroll... The five worst teams in baseball over the last 16 years have been in the lowest third in terms of payroll 64% of the time. That means that over a third of the time, teams with payrolls ranging from 1st to 19th in a league of 30 are finishing seasons in the cellar of the league.
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http://www.fieldofignorance.com/2011...ll-vs-success/
How do you find rot and deadwood among 35,000 without evaluation? If they fear 6000 might lose their jobs, wouldn't 6000 people find a teaching job? They rig the system to PROTECT their own asses, NOT to help change that which clearly ISN'T WORKING.
And for all you that can't quite figure out how to use Google to find the issues at hand, here:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/10...school-strike/
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