Masochistic DQed from BC Sprint

[Track Phantom]

Originally Posted by cj

Agree, it is tough to know. As a bettor I find it counterproductive to worry about it much. I just know who the good trainers are, the bad trainers are, and most importantly the move up, can't claim from trainers. I leave the whys to others at this point, tired of playing that game.

I understand that approach, especially from anyone that is drawing an income from the sport. It makes sense as it is counterproductive to call out these things. It is just hard to watch sometimes.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

my feeling is he does what everyone else does, that does not mean he follows the rules per say, kinda like speeding if you will.

he has the best horses, trains them super hard because if they dont make it he has plenty more. I think he is also pretty good at what he does, which is young horses on dirt, does not try to do things he really cant.

love the speed-limit analogy
Who the hell drives 55??

Good point about him concentrating at his strong point, in his circle of competence.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Track Phantom

I understand that approach, especially from anyone that is drawing an income from the sport. It makes sense as it is counterproductive to call out these things. It is just hard to watch sometimes.

You are painting me with a broad brush that simply isn't fair. I say what I think, positive or negative.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Track Phantom

I understand that approach, especially from anyone that is drawing an income from the sport. It makes sense as it is counterproductive to call out these things. It is just hard to watch sometimes.

well sure, when you are part of an industry it is pretty hard to just openly call someone out with zero proof and make accusations.

In fact, screw it, in any walk of life thats a pretty cheap thing to do.

When the there is evidence though then I think its actually more important for people in the industry to not let things go.

And CJ definitely is not one to hold their tongue on providing opinion, I think your comment in direct reply to him is a bit unfair.

[Track Phantom]

Originally Posted by cj

You are painting me with a broad brush that simply isn't fair. I say what I think, positive or negative.

You took that the wrong way. I really didn't mean you specifically. What I meant to say is this: There are some really smart (and I mean far above the curve intelligence) working in this industry that have sharp observations on a variety of things using fragments of information to draw a hypothesis. In the case of performance enhancing drugs, in many cases, they don't use the same logic OR choose not to voice their opinions. In either case, I would find it very hard if I relied on this industry for my income knowing I had to reserve my opinions on what I clearly see as nefarious.

I love the game and have played it all my life. I'm not out to bring it down. But sometimes the circumstances are too much to take.

[Track Phantom]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

well sure, when you are part of an industry it is pretty hard to just openly call someone out with zero proof and make accusations.

In fact, screw it, in any walk of life thats a pretty cheap thing to do.

When the there is evidence though then I think its actually more important for people in the industry to not let things go.

And CJ definitely is not one to hold their tongue on providing opinion, I think your comment in direct reply to him is a bit unfair.

I don't think there is a person close to this game that just wants to "call someone out" without proof. But here's the thing, those of us who have literally studied past performances for decades can see when patterns do not align. When it happens rarely, we chalk it up to randomness. When it happens more often, it should draw our attention. When it happens CONSISTENTLY there is more to the story.

[Track Phantom]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

well sure, when you are part of an industry it is pretty hard to just openly call someone out with zero proof and make accusations.

In fact, screw it, in any walk of life thats a pretty cheap thing to do.

When the there is evidence though then I think its actually more important for people in the industry to not let things go.

And CJ definitely is not one to hold their tongue on providing opinion, I think your comment in direct reply to him is a bit unfair.

By the way, what evidence do you need?

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Track Phantom

By the way, what evidence do you need?

I think seeing multiple drug violations of the serious nature and seeing numerous changes in form over very short periods of time.

When you see that I think its very to question peoples tactics.

I dont factor in it my handicapping other than to maybe skip races where I suspect the trainer.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Track Phantom

You took that the wrong way. I really didn't mean you specifically...

I would say it was more you wrote it the wrong way, but I'll take you at your word that it wasn't meant that way.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Track Phantom

By the way, what evidence do you need?

http://www.drf.com/news/peter-miller...ethamphetamine

Evidence starting to mount....but will hold off and just present here with no comment.

[RunForTheRoses]

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...-drug-positive

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by RunForTheRoses

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...-drug-positive

60 days?

That's right in his wheelhouse.

[upthecreek]

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...s=mcnewsletter

[cj]

Cry me a river.

[upthecreek]

Originally Posted by cj

Cry me a river.

There are far worse trainers in the game that do worse things and draw lighter sentences The penalty is way too severe IMO