Explain the A-B-C-X method for horizontal wagers?

[thaskalos]

My guess is that I might have come on too strong in this thread...and by doing so I might have misdirected this thread from its intended purpose...which was to seek further explanations about the proper construction of these ABC tickets. If that's what I've done here...then I sincerely apologize.

[PaceAdvantage]

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[Robert Fischer]

In the longer (pick-5, 6, and deep pick-4) sequences, the A-B-C method is generally superior to the caveperson ticket, in that you have your top picks for an additional punch(s), in favor of playing all of your lesser choices on one big ticket.

The A-B-C is a nice template, and it's also an 'example' of theory.

There are multiple factors at play in a discussion of deeper exotics.

1. Skill
2. Bankroll

are two that eliminate most players before factors structure, value, and specific carryover/payout scenarios even have to be considered.

If I have an 'argument' for this thread, I'd say that for the average joe, who wants a gamble on a multi race wager, the A-B-C method becomes more useful, the greater depth and length (I.e. more useful for a pick-6 than it is for a pick-3).

[JohnGalt1]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

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Here is a typical "caveman" pick-4 ticket...as it would usually be posted by a TVG host. For 50-cents...it would cost $32. Could a cheaper ABC ticket be constructed...while using all the above horses?

If I ranked the horses in the fist three races as the 's as A horses. the and as B's and in the last leg as all B's or C's.

I would always play this combo as a caveman ticket.

Then I would make smaller tickets like:






Depending on if the odds are high enough may make another small ticket.

But the caveman ticket makes sure I cash if I handicapped the four races correctly. If I'm more correct I can collect on more than one ticket.


Without the caveman ticket I might get a bunch of 3 of 4's and nothing to show for it.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

My guess is that I might have come on too strong in this thread...and by doing so I might have misdirected this thread from its intended purpose...which was to seek further explanations about the proper construction of these ABC tickets. If that's what I've done here...then I sincerely apologize.

I don't mind at all. I learn something from discussions like in this thread, even if it went past my original intention.

[Buckeye]

I feel compelled to state the fact intelligent bettors/players do not consider horse racing to be a lottery.

Why should they?

I bet accordingly.

Start with caveman bets and work your way up.

Again, I think Crist is all wet with his ABC structure because it falls apart at a certain point.

That's why I recommend keeping it simple and separating A's and B's.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Buckeye

Again, I think Crist is all wet with his ABC structure because it falls apart at a certain point.

How so? Be specific and clear.

[Buckeye]

He mixes up the the B and C combinations with no rhyme or reason PaceAdvantage.

Basically he leaves stuff out and it becomes arbitrary which combinations get played or not.

[Poindexter]

Thaskalos, let's say you have a pick 4 single x 7 x 7 x 7. A 50 cent pick 4 would cost you 343 combos or $171.50. Let's say that in the 3 spreads you wanted to have 1 A(we will call the #1 in each leg the A choice) 2 b''s (we will call the 2 and 3 in each leg the b's) and 4 c's(we will call the 4-5-6-7 in each leg) with the exception of the 1 single who is a single on both plays. Now an ABC play(requiring at least 1 A and no more than 1 C) would look like this:

Single with 1 with 1-2-3 with 1-2-3-4-5-6-7
Single with 1 with 4-5-6-7 with 1-2-3
Single with 2-3 with 1 with 1-2-3-4-5-6-7
Single with 2-3 with 2-3-4-5-6-7- with 1
Single with 4-5-6-7 with 1 with 1-2-3
Single with 4-5-6-7 with 2-3 with 1

Now the number of combos on the stipulated abc approach would be
21+12+14+12+12+8 or 79 combos or $39.50.

The idea of the abc approach is to cut a $171.50 (which is out of many players' comfort level) and come up with a cheaper alternative. In this case there would be significant savings but obviously your chances of hitting are significantly reduced and your price potential is significantly lower.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Buckeye

He mixes up the the B and C combinations with no rhyme or reason PaceAdvantage.

Basically he leaves stuff out and it becomes arbitrary which combinations get played or not.

This is completely wrong.

[Buckeye]

Originally Posted by the little guy

This is completely wrong.

I read the book and there are combinations left out whether you like it or not, and I don't.

[Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Poindexter

Thaskalos, let's say you have a pick 4 single x 7 x 7 x 7. A 50 cent pick 4 would cost you 343 combos or $171.50. Let's say that in the 3 spreads you wanted to have 1 A(we will call the #1 in each leg the A choice) 2 b''s (we will call the 2 and 3 in each leg the b's) and 4 c's(we will call the 4-5-6-7 in each leg) with the exception of the 1 single who is a single on both plays. Now an ABC play(requiring at least 1 A and no more than 1 C) would look like this:

Single with 1 with 1-2-3 with 1-2-3-4-5-6-7
Single with 1 with 4-5-6-7 with 1-2-3
Single with 2-3 with 1 with 1-2-3-4-5-6-7
Single with 2-3 with 2-3-4-5-6-7- with 1
Single with 4-5-6-7 with 1 with 1-2-3
Single with 4-5-6-7 with 2-3 with 1

Now the number of combos on the stipulated abc approach would be
21+12+14+12+12+8 or 79 combos or $39.50.

The idea of the abc approach is to cut a $171.50 (which is out of many players' comfort level) and come up with a cheaper alternative. In this case there would be significant savings but obviously your chances of hitting are significantly reduced and your price potential is significantly lower.

That's all well and good Poindexter, but again there are combinations not covered here. What if the single loses the first race? What's your plan then?

If this is a Pick 3 just leave the single talk out.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by Buckeye

That's all well and good Poindexter, but again there are combinations not covered here. What if the single loses the first race? What's your plan then?

If this is a Pick 3 just leave the single talk out.

Since you have no clue what you're talking about, why don't we leave YOU out of the discussion?...…
Best idea by far in this thread...

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Since you have no clue what you're talking about, why don't we leave YOU out of the discussion?...…
Best idea by far in this thread...

I think I'll stay out of the discussion too...to spare my critics the time-consuming effort of giving me more negative rep-points for my opinions here. "From the sublime to the ridiculous", one of my more eloquent critics put it...when assessing my obvious diminishment in his eyes.

[Buckeye]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Since you have no clue what you're talking about, why don't we leave YOU out of the discussion?...…
Best idea by far in this thread...

I guess not.

Why don't you just keep on hitting all the pick 4's and above using the Crist approach?