Mountaineer Pick Six

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Mike, I'm Mnr's ast. racing secretary, and also cohost the handicapping show.

Oh, you're the guy on with the woman before each race. I know you.

I raced twice at MNR back in 2002. At that time, your $12,500 claimers were racing for $26,000. Since that time, it seems like the claiming ladder has narrowed to mostly $5k claimers and the purses have been hit (not your fault obviously). I really like your turf racing. Do you have lights for the turf course (I know Penn doesn't)? I'd love to see more turf racing, and I know those races usually fill well. On the Pick Six, I have one suggestion: if you have a maiden race with a bunch of firsters, place it first in the sequence or not in at all.

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

Oh, you're the guy on with the woman before each race. I know you.

I raced twice at MNR back in 2002. At that time, your $12,500 claimers were racing for $26,000. Since that time, it seems like the claiming ladder has narrowed to mostly $5k claimers and the purses have been hit (not your fault obviously). I really like your turf racing. Do you have lights for the turf course (I know Penn doesn't)? I'd love to see more turf racing, and I know those races usually fill well. On the Pick Six, I have one suggestion: if you have a maiden race with a bunch of firsters, place it first in the sequence or not in at all.

True, our purses have dropped, and the landscape has changed. We're still proud of our program and strive to deliver the best product we can. Our grass course does have lights, but the riders object to carding turf after dark when the footing supposedly becomes slick with dew. Thanks for the suggestion concerning the sequence of pick 6 races. We try to do that even with pick 3's.

[Cubbymac26]

think about how much money would be in a 50cent pk 4 pool on a sunday or monday nite!! first four and last four of the nite...forget the pk6 just do a 50cent pk 4

[tcasolo]

Horrible idea for a PK6. It will be gone by fall. Look at the wagering options at the two WV tracks ( and I may not be 100% accurate, because even though I visit the simulcasting area at MNR practically every week, I NEVER wager on MNR.)

MNR has a couple of pk3's and supers and the early and late doubles.

CT has rolling doubles, rolling pk3's, supers every race (now 50cents), and 2 pk4's.

CT may be a bullring and have some low quality racing, but MNR certainly could do well just to duplicate their wagering menu.

[ENT222]

I personally think the mountain has a good wagering menu. I think there are too many possibilities of winners imo which would possibly defer some of the current players if there rolling pick 3's. I do however think a pick 4 should be offered. I will welcome a pick 6 but won't wager more than $32 on a good night. I've only been to the mountain once and absolutely enjoyed it yet I love night racing regardless where it is. Can't wait until Monday when they're back.

[Zaf]

IMHO, adding some more Pik 3's to the wagering menu would be a good move.

Z

[InsideThePylons-MW]

Originally Posted by tcasolo

CT has rolling doubles, rolling pk3's, supers every race (now 50cents), and 2 pk4's.

CT may be a bullring and have some low quality racing, but MNR certainly could do well just to duplicate their wagering menu.

Sunday Feb 21 Charlestown

3rd race
P-3 pool 1764
DD pool 1591

4th race
DD pool 1183

5th race
P-3 pool 956
DD pool 1217

6th race
DD pool 935

7th race
p-3 pool 982
DD pool 1036

8th race
DD pool 915

9th race
p-3 pool 1129
p-4 pool 1665
DD pool 1848

Gotta love those rolling doubles and multiple P-x wagers

[rrpic6]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

Ted?

That's very funny, whether you meant it to be or not.....at least he liked horseracing and its bettors. The new people running the show have a great disdain for the sport. Good thing it snowed so much this year...must have ruined their plans of putting slot machines on the track for Jan and Feb. Glad to see mountainman still has a job. Any truth to the rumor that Peter Berry is working at Outback Steakhouse to make ends meet?

RR

[post time]

Originally Posted by rrpic6

That's very funny, whether you meant it to be or not.....at least he liked horseracing and its bettors. The new people running the show have a great disdain for the sport. Good thing it snowed so much this year...must have ruined their plans of putting slot machines on the track for Jan and Feb. Glad to see mountainman still has a job. Any truth to the rumor that Peter Berry is working at Outback Steakhouse to make ends meet?

RR

A great point.Must be why mountainman has two jobs,pay is behind times like betting menu.

[Peter Berry]

Originally Posted by rrpic6

Any truth to the rumor that Peter Berry is working at Outback Steakhouse to make ends meet?

RR

More likely just around the corner at Vintage Estate!

[jeebus1083]

I agree that Mountaineer should have rolling P3s... making the wagering menu more exotic gives the player some options. I can't tell you how many P3s at MNR that I've passed on because the sequence looks too chalky. At least if the P3s are rolling, I can isolate a P3 sequence or two that may provide for some value.

[Relwob Owner]

Originally Posted by mountainman

The truth is Websters plans to put my picture next to the word 'peon' in its next edition. I'm VERY low on the Mnr food-chain.

MM,

I didnt know this was you. I really enjoy your commentary every night with your co host and I am a fan of MNR racing. Question-is it safe to say that Table Games can be seen to have had a negative impact on purses due to the lower amount that goes to the purses, as opposed to slots? I am not positive this is the case but have heard it and figured I would go to the expert. Seems to be a tough issue because table games differentiate the track from others but by doing so, can be seen to have a negative effect on purses. I am curious because the other track I am interested in, Charlestown, has table games coming......as it relates to the thread, I am curious if races with lower purses tend to attract similar horses each time and they kind of take turns winning, drawing interest away from potential Pick 6 bettors.

Thanks for the input on the forum and the continued great work at the track.

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by Relwob Owner

MM,

I didnt know this was you. I really enjoy your commentary every night with your co host and I am a fan of MNR racing. Question-is it safe to say that Table Games can be seen to have had a negative impact on purses due to the lower amount that goes to the purses, as opposed to slots? I am not positive this is the case but have heard it and figured I would go to the expert. Seems to be a tough issue because table games differentiate the track from others but by doing so, can be seen to have a negative effect on purses. I am curious because the other track I am interested in, Charlestown, has table games coming......as it relates to the thread, I am curious if races with lower purses tend to attract similar horses each time and they kind of take turns winning, drawing interest away from potential Pick 6 bettors.

Thanks for the input on the forum and the continued great work at the track.

Tx for watching man. No, i don't think table games have hurt mnr's racing program. Our decline in handle and purses more mirrors the economic downturn which has set the entire industry back. Casino competition from pa and (eventually) Ohio also contributes to mnr's woes. Times change, and that's not always someone's fault. We still have our loyal fanbase, however, and take pride in our product. I'm sure I speak for Nancy and Peter as well in saying that our professionalism and enthusiasm for our work will never waver.

[2low]

Add me to the list of MNR fans. I love the full fields, I love that it's still running during the week when I get home from work and I enjoy the handicapping show (whatever you'd call it) between races. I don't bet all the fancy stuff - I'm not smart enough. As long as I can get win bets and exactas down I'm happy

[Relwob Owner]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Tx for watching man. No, i don't think table games have hurt mnr's racing program. Our decline in handle and purses more mirrors the economic downturn which has set the entire industry back. Casino competition from pa and (eventually) Ohio also contributes to mnr's woes. Times change, and that's not always someone's fault. We still have our loyal fanbase, however, and take pride in our product. I'm sure I speak for Nancy and Peter as well in saying that our professionalism and enthusiasm for our work will never waver.

Got it-whatever happens, you and your co-host always seem to deliver a few chuckles(often times more) and great insight each night and are one of the few simulcasts I watch on my computer with the volume "on"....

As far as the table games, I think your points are valid. I am a bit nervous at CT-if the table games are a bigger hit than the slots, purses will take a hit. Since we are already in the midst of a bad economy, I think CT will be more of a case sample for the effect of table games on purses and I hope I am wrong....looking forward to having MNR back!