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05-19-2015, 11:47 PM
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American Pharoah breeding rights sold
The breeding rights to Triple Crown hopeful American Pharoah were sold Tuesday to an undisclosed stallion farm. Terms of the deal were not available.
Justin Zayat, racing director for American Pharoah owner Zayat Stables, had said Monday that despite offers of more than $20 million for the horse's rights as a stallion, the family likely would not entertain offers until after the Belmont on June 6.
But Ahmed Zayat told ESPN.com that the offer that was put on the table Tuesday was too good to pass up. Zayat said he will own 100 percent of the horse's racing rights and that American Pharoah will not retire immediately after the Belmont, even if he becomes the first horse since 1978 to win the Triple Crown.
The whole story: http://espn.go.com/horseracing/story...disclosed-farm
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05-20-2015, 12:13 AM
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Fascinating stuff.
I wonder which outfit made "Z Man" an offer he couldn't refuse ?
I might rule out Japan because perhaps they would want the horse ASAP.
Of course that's nothing more than a guess.
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05-20-2015, 12:30 AM
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I'll go with Coolmore as my bet
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05-20-2015, 01:04 AM
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05-20-2015, 02:30 AM
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Aren't they the ones with Pioneer of the Nile? If so I'll agree with you.
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05-20-2015, 10:09 AM
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"Zayat said he will own 100 percent of the horse's racing rights and that American Pharoah will not retire immediately after the Belmont, even if he becomes the first horse since 1978 to win the Triple Crown."
how the hell did the new owners agree to this. obv stipulations that we don't know about
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05-20-2015, 10:18 AM
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I believe despite what they say, if he wins the Belmont, his racing days are over. Way too much risk, way too little reward. I have also think that the buyer has to foreign. The price has to be prohibitive for an American buyer. I am think at least $35 million. Could be as much as $50 million.
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05-20-2015, 11:35 AM
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05-20-2015, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by boys at tosconova
"Zayat said he will own 100 percent of the horse's racing rights and that American Pharoah will not retire immediately after the Belmont, even if he becomes the first horse since 1978 to win the Triple Crown."
how the hell did the new owners agree to this. obv stipulations that we don't know about
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Because they aren't the "new owners." They just own the breeding rights.
And perhaps part of the negotiations were that the current actual OWNER gets to decide whether or not to continue racing the horse, should he win the TC.
That's one of the benefits of having a potential TC winner in the hands of a wealthy owner. He doesn't NEED the money...so he doesn't have to relinquish the decision making to the future breeder...he can negotiate from a position of strength...
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05-20-2015, 01:12 PM
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When he wins the triple crown, I'm guessing that the stable and owner and breeder will increase the vet examination even above what is required to make the gate. 
non-displaced bone chip etc... or whatever they want to say that they feel will not discourage potential breeding clients.
He will be tempting to run in the Breeders Cup Classic, but I'd have to guess they retire him after the triple crown.
The Zayats will still own a share of the horse and of the horse's breeding rights, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will keep leading him to the gate in search of greater glory. Hard to get any higher than a triple crown.
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05-20-2015, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Because they aren't the "new owners." They just own the breeding rights.
And perhaps part of the negotiations were that the current actual OWNER gets to decide whether or not to continue racing the horse, should he win the TC.
That's one of the benefits of having a potential TC winner in the hands of a wealthy owner. He doesn't NEED the money...so he doesn't have to relinquish the decision making to the future breeder...he can negotiate from a position of strength...
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I hope you are right and it is as you say it here PA..
It would be terrible news to a see a Triple Crown winner, starting his romantic affairs upon leaving Elmont for first time..
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05-20-2015, 03:08 PM
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Rumor here in Louisville is 32 million and increases substantially if he wins the Belmont.
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05-20-2015, 03:32 PM
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Ashford-Coolmore will keep him on an assembly line schedule .
Might rack up some flyer miles too .
Maybe he'll meet Rags to Riches one day .
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05-20-2015, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
I believe despite what they say, if he wins the Belmont, his racing days are over. Way too much risk, way too little reward. I have also think that the buyer has to foreign. The price has to be prohibitive for an American buyer. I am think at least $35 million. Could be as much as $50 million.
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Completely agree with you that his racing days are over. A mysterious injury will be "discovered" leading up to the Haskell and that will be it. I guess these breeders didn't learn anything from the Smarty Jones fiasco. He was sold before the Belmont for a huge amount if I remember correctly and we all know how is breeding turned out.
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05-20-2015, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by zico20
Completely agree with you that his racing days are over. A mysterious injury will be "discovered" leading up to the Haskell and that will be it. I guess these breeders didn't learn anything from the Smarty Jones fiasco. He was sold before the Belmont for a huge amount if I remember correctly and we all know how is breeding turned out.
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Fwiw, in regards to American Pharoah is that the Empire Maker-Pioneer of the Nile sire line is looking pretty strong right now; everybody wants to be on the next best thing.
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