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Old 05-30-2018, 07:30 AM   #16
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west Virginia

Monmouth/Meadowlands

Prairie Meadows

Pennsy

New Mexico

Virginia will be up and running in 2028

Georgia will also be up and running

washington and Oregon will also run

I voted 21+

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Old 05-30-2018, 12:31 PM   #17
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I think it will still be over 20 too. Maybe not a lot over 20, but at least that many. Other than (maybe) Saratoga, any track that still runs a full meeting will be a racebook/racino/instant gaming/horse racing location, or will own those locations.
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Old 05-30-2018, 02:33 PM   #18
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I also just voted 21+.

States have multiple tracks. My vote is based on 40 days for a meet.

(Saratoga has to count. So does Del Mar.)
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Old 05-30-2018, 03:00 PM   #19
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Mountaineer will be renamed Eldorado Downs and conduct a six-week boutique meet.
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:37 PM   #20
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Can we do one on Harness tracks?

Yonkers was sold yesterday to MGM.

What does that mean?

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Old 05-31-2018, 12:16 PM   #21
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You didn't mention the single most important cause of all the contraction, which is simulcasting. Simulcasting killed the mid-level racetrack.
And video killed the radio star
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Old 06-13-2018, 05:27 PM   #22
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Ritvo threatening to close Golden Gate today.

Jeremy Balan‏Verified account @BH_JBalan

Ritvo emphasized he wants to run year-round at Golden Gate Fields. He doesn't want to close, and wants to run more dates. He just doesn't want to be a part of what he feels is a NOTWINC deal that is losing money.



Subject: Baedecker fires back at Ritvo. Says accusations "not accurate".

Everyone knows how I feel about Baedecker. He’s not up to the job and never has been.

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CHRB's exec. director Rick Baedeker calls Tim Ritvo's accusations "not accurate." One of Ritvo's claims is that the CHRB has communicated to CARF that GGF's summer dates could be filled by the fairs, but Baedeker said that was only in preparation, should GGF not get approved.

Subject: Balan speaks to Ritvo. Ritvo threatening to close over NOTWINC Dispute


Tim Ritvo says the meeting w/horsemen at Golden Gate Fields tomorrow will be about the Northern California Off-Track Wagering, Inc. network. Ritvo said the CHRB is threatening not to approve GGF's license if it doesn't agree to NOTWINC. Ritvo is threatening to close GGF.

Subject: Urgent Meeting at Golden Gate Fields.....WITH REGARD TO THE FUTURE OF GOLDEN GATE FIELDS.

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IMPORTANT NEWS: PLEASE BE ADVISED THERE WILL BE AN URGENT MEETING AT 10 AM TOMORROW BY THE PADDOCK FOR ALL HORSEMEN AT GOLDEN GATE FIELDS WITH REGARD TO THE FUTURE OF GOLDEN GATE FIELDS.
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Rick Baedeker, executive director of the CHRB, is also unsure as to what is going on at Golden Gate Fields, but he did note that the track does have its summer meet application on the agenda for next week's CHRB meeting.
1:34 PM - 13 Jun 2018

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Old 06-17-2018, 12:31 PM   #23
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Full meeting" is defined to be 50 or more racing dates OR at least eight consecutive weeks.

My OPINION is that there will be ten:
NYRA
SoCal
Miami Florida
Kentucky
Texas
Bush Lousiana (DeD EvD)
Fair Grounds
Oaklawn
Tampa
Turf Paradise



The rest may run short meetings to keep licenses, breeding programs, or whatever else, but no extended meetings.

I see Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, and West Virginia all vanishing from existence. North California will be fairs-only. Hawthorne might run a couple of meetings per year (Arlington is headed to commercial development when Mr. Duchossois is gone).

The reason?
1) Greedy gaming companies tired of subsidizing racing.

2) Revenue-hungry states that will only-too-gladly allow decoupling, in return for an extra percent or two of tax and/or more revenue to tax without racing eating up income. It's a win-win for the states and gaming companies. Not so good for the horsemen.

3) Idiotic management, which never got its head out of where the sun doesn't shine, and instead continued --- up to the end --- to live in the 1950's.

You're welcome to a different view.
Hang on. pull back on reins.
It is my prediction that the industry in DE and NJ will get a much needed shot in the arm from sports wagering revenue.
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Old 06-18-2018, 12:47 PM   #24
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Short meetings might be good - since if that's what happens, all the turf races can stay on the turf, even if there is so much rain as to make the turf course "heavy" - and that means no more four- or five-horse fields in races that get taken off the turf.
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Short meetings might be good - since if that's what happens, all the turf races can stay on the turf, even if there is so much rain as to make the turf course "heavy" - and that means no more four- or five-horse fields in races that get taken off the turf.
No meet is going to be that "short". We're not talking about three-day meetings, more like 40 or 50. That means they come over the turf unless it's the last day or two of the meet.
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:43 AM   #26
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Full meeting" is defined to be 50 or more racing dates OR at least eight consecutive weeks.
Interesting question. My best guess is maybe a half dozen or so, while there actually may be a modest increase of localized "bush league" meets for residual thoroughbred, standardbred and quarter horse owners.

This happens for a number of reasons:

1. Demographics - ten more years of the current racing fan base dying off faster than replacement will be negative. I don't know if anyone has some of the hard data to back this opinion up, but the trend appears to be the older, wealthier bettors and owners are not being replaced as fast as they are lost.

2. Economics - the Millennials are having a much harder go of making careers than us Boomers, and there's no reversal of that trend. It's hard to be player or a fan when you're living in your parent's basement, and your disposable income is non-existent. Recent data from other sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, and NASCAR) and casino reports indicate contraction is taking place, and with higher housing costs, higher taxes, higher food prices, and student loan debt which cannot be discharged, many younger people have a steep enough hill to climb.

3. Politics - Make/Keep America Great Again may allow Trump to stay in office for eight years, but the "successes" so far are much more Potemkin Village than substance, with only suspect .GOV stats backing it. 2025 could be chaotic. States and the .FED starving for "revenue" are hardly likely to be much help to racing, and will continue to be parasitic, killing the host. Trends toward socialism and bigger government, if they continue, lead the U.S. down the road to a Soviet/Red China form of government (name one Great Russian or Chinese race horse?), or to a break up of the U.S. into sub-regions, where racing may or may not be favored as entertainment. PETA (or its derivatives) may outlaw the sport, though horse ownership may increase a smidge in some regions due to the next reason # 4.

4. Rising transportation costs - how is racing affected if gas goes to $10 or $12 a gallon? How international does the sport remain if "carbon credits" are introduced to limit air transport? Even today, we're just one skirmish in the Middle East or one sabotaged pipeline away from shortages, and I for one don't believe Elon Musk and Tesla can violate the laws of physics to create electric airplanes and horse vans that are economically viable. Nor do I believe that the "shale boom" is sustainable, built on an iffy debt model, and typical wells short-lived compared to ones in the ever shrinking conventional fields, and of course extracting a lighter grade of crude not as favored by U.S. refineries. With war, refugee migrations, famine and potential food shortages due to changing weather patterns and growing populations, I think within 10 years rationing of fossil fuels will be a very real possibility, and racing and other leisure activities will be well down in the queue for consumption.

Just my three cents....
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Old 06-25-2018, 06:26 PM   #27
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wow, 21 or more is winning this poll?

That seems rather wishful thinking to me.
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Old 06-26-2018, 11:24 PM   #28
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This wasn't what was asked, but if we're talking North American racing and not just American racing, I foresee Woodbine being a strong player in the market. And I think that Canterbury will still be racing in warm weather.
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Old 07-01-2018, 01:24 AM   #29
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My goal is to be able to attend any meeting in 2028.
ditto here too
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finger lakes will have the breeders cup that year,,,ill be senile or dead and miss it....
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