Does the "controversial call" always favor the outcome better for the NFL? - Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com

Stillriledup · 01-05-2015, 11:24 PM

Sinister or not, the Lion Cowboy controversy went to favor the team who would provide the much better ratings, so i'll ask, controversial calls, lets just stick with playoffs and super bowls, who gets the benefit of these seemingly random calls?

Some that stick out in my memory all seemed to go in favor of the team that would provide more revenue.

Cowboys over Detroit.

Tuck rule, the hated Raiders with Al Davis being on the short end there.

Steelers in SB over the no-name Seahawks was very controversial, might have been even more than 1 "bad call" that went the Steelers way

And of course, the call that went against the No Name Bucs vs the darling Rams in the 1999 championship game. The "greatest show on Turf" got the call over a team with a bunch of guys nobody had ever heard of.

Coincidence i'm sure.

MutuelClerk · 01-05-2015, 11:35 PM

Immaculate DEception.

cj · 01-05-2015, 11:49 PM

Phantom defensive holding call against the Giants in Ravens first Super Bowl win, totally turned the game. Giants actually ran back a pick for a TD and it would have been 7-7.

Stillriledup · 01-06-2015, 02:12 AM

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Phantom defensive holding call against the Giants in Ravens first Super Bowl win, totally turned the game. Giants actually ran back a pick for a TD and it would have been 7-7.

I don't even remember this as a "Famous" mistake. I dont remember it at all. I was just thinking about game turning calls that are down in NFL "lore" that everyone knows about. Nobody hasn't heard of the Tuck rule game, and there's a LOT of discussion still to this day about the Seahawks in the SB vs the Steelers.

One "phantom" play that went uncalled was the non holding/blocking in the back, clipping and all the fouls that happened during James Harrison's runback vs the Cardinals....that should have come back, Pitt probably loses that SB if they dont get that free TD, there must have been 3 or 4 fouls on that runback and none got called.

Stillriledup · 01-06-2015, 02:13 AM

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Immaculate DEception.

Tell me what you think about that play, was there a video that showed the ball hit the ground? What's your take.

tucker6 · 01-06-2015, 07:50 AM

The Steeler SB doesn't fit your theory as it happened IN the SB, and therefore ratings were already assured. That was probably an instance of personal gain on the refs part and not a global conspiracy.

A game that comes to mind is the Giants-49ers from about 10-15 years ago where the refs blew the call at the end of the game. 49ers won.

I've seen replays of the Immaculate Reception from various angles, including discussion from physics professors. Ball hit Tatum on the shoulder, which ricocheted to Franco who picked it up at his shoestrings. Incredibly lucky play is all.

OTM Al · 01-06-2015, 09:16 AM

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Phantom defensive holding call against the Giants in Ravens first Super Bowl win, totally turned the game. Giants actually ran back a pick for a TD and it would have been 7-7.

Got no problem with that game as I hit both halftime and final on the board I played. Quite a good night.

I don't think ratings are much affected by who's in the NFL playoff games. Everyone watches no matter what, unlike basketball and baseball

Clocker · 01-06-2015, 10:41 AM

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I don't think ratings are much affected by who's in the NFL playoff games. Everyone watches no matter what, unlike basketball and baseball

Ditto. The game is at 1PM on Sunday, the big sports event at the time with no competition. If Detroit was playing, how many people in the Dallas market would not watch because of that? They'd watch hoping to see the Lions get killed. I can't see how the outcome has any effect on TV ratings.

MutuelClerk · 01-06-2015, 10:58 AM

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Tell me what you think about that play, was there a video that showed the ball hit the ground? What's your take.

There's a video showing Franco Harris picking up the ball. You don't know if it's one hopped or he actually caught it. The way I remember Franco Harris is he wasn't much of a pass catcher on perfect dry days let alone a ball spiked like a volleyball on a cold wintery day. Also the ball may have went off two offensive players in a row without a defensive player touching it in between. Between the immaculate deception and the tuck rule the Raiders were involved in starting two football dynasties. Teams I root against still. Go Ravens!!!

Valuist · 01-06-2015, 01:02 PM

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There's a video showing Franco Harris picking up the ball. You don't know if it's one hopped or he actually caught it. The way I remember Franco Harris is he wasn't much of a pass catcher on perfect dry days let alone a ball spiked like a volleyball on a cold wintery day. Also the ball may have went off two offensive players in a row without a defensive player touching it in between. Between the immaculate deception and the tuck rule the Raiders were involved in starting two football dynasties. Teams I root against still. Go Ravens!!!

Its been over 40 years. And he did catch the ball, regardless of his pass catching (or lack of) abilities in other games. Gotta let it go.

MutuelClerk · 01-06-2015, 03:33 PM

Can't. And he didn't.

tucker6 · 01-06-2015, 04:33 PM

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Can't. And he didn't.

As he said, let it go and take your rightful place behind the Steelers.

Stillriledup · 01-06-2015, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker6

The Steeler SB doesn't fit your theory as it happened IN the SB, and therefore ratings were already assured. That was probably an instance of personal gain on the refs part and not a global conspiracy.

A game that comes to mind is the Giants-49ers from about 10-15 years ago where the refs blew the call at the end of the game. 49ers won.

I've seen replays of the Immaculate Reception from various angles, including discussion from physics professors. Ball hit Tatum on the shoulder, which ricocheted to Franco who picked it up at his shoestrings. Incredibly lucky play is all.

I used to think that once the ratings are assured, they don't care who wins, but then why not call a penalty on the James Harrison runback vs Arizona? Cards win that SB probably if there's a call....but the Steelers are much more "high profile" than Zona.

Im not sure either way on the SB, logically it makes sense the ratings are assured, but who knows what really goes on in those corporate meetings and what's really discussed.

tucker6 · 01-06-2015, 05:31 PM

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I used to think that once the ratings are assured, they don't care who wins, but then why not call a penalty on the James Harrison runback vs Arizona? Cards win that SB probably if there's a call....but the Steelers are much more "high profile" than Zona.

You mean when Fitzgerald ran 30 yards out of bounds to avoid blockers in his attempt to tackle Harrison???

wiffleball whizz · 01-06-2015, 05:33 PM

These games are 100 percent rehearsed

That's why they added the illegal contact flag now that can throw the flag whenever they have to

Also the bowl games were fixed too or at least some were, 49-14 in the 4th western ky cent mich and they score to make it 49-48 but missed the 2 point convo.....kids staying at sportsbook too in Atlantis, prob wrong place for this post but it is what it is

SRU is 100 percent correct in this case