BC question for all

[toetoe]

Am reminded of the first 'concept' or compilation records I ever saw. First was KEWB Disc-overies. Later came KFRC's 21 Golden Rocks. The most interesting was KYA's 21 Golden Gate Greats, as it had pictures of all the D-J's on the back. Who was on there? So glad you asked.

Gene Nelson.
Russ 'The Moose' Syracuse.
Ed Heider(sp.?)
Johnny Holliday.
Sean O'Callahan.
Tommy Saunders, The Prince Of Darkness, and others.

Many later went over to KSFO, to join the Lange Gang, i.e., Dan Sorkin, C.B. Smith, Jim Lange, etc.

[JohnGalt1]

I have never been to a track on BC day. I always go Friday and put all my bets in--so I can't change them-- and watch at home.

My biggest day was Tiznow's first win. I bet $20 to win, had the tri and super that paid $6600 I think. But I wouldn't have hit it if the photos for second and third didn't go my way.

The best thing was I was unemplyed for most of that year and needed the dough.

I also had Unbridled Elaine to win, but didn't get the pick 3 or tri.

Good luck everybody this year.

[The Judge]

I went and check some of the results at the Breeders Cup site they have them all, and hey I've done pretty good I just didn't know it. Best, Safely Kept over Dayjur one way, knew I was beat Dayjur jumps the shadow within the last 40 yards. Tiznow to Giants Causeway box. War Chant to North East Bound(42.30-1) had it more times with North East bound to War Chant. Mark Cramer came out with the idea that the Kentucky Derby winner came back and won the Breeders Cup so I had a single on Unbridled. But as with most it what could have been. Had Spain (55.90-1 ) and Surfside (10.30-1) as may top horses TEH sustain if I remeber Riboletta wasn't in the top 3 if memory serves me I put Riboletta on top she ran 7th in a field of 9. Said the winner of the Classic was Alphabet Soup(19.85 to 1) and Cigar would run 3rd (.65-1) but no Louis Quatorze (18-1) in the middle only had Soup in 1st only had Cigar in 3rd. While at Arlington Park this lady from Texas asked in the Classic what horse could not possilby win I looked at the form and told her "Valponi" can't win little did I know she made her biggest bet of the day on "Valponi" $10 WPS could have knocked me over with a feather.

[Stillriledup]

10 years have gone by, lets update some BC scores!!

[Track Phantom]

In 1997, my girlfriend and I went up North for a weekend vacation the weekend prior the Breeders' Cup. It was one of these bed and breakfast type get-aways with a hot tub in the room that was right on Lake Superior. It was pretty cool but there was A LOT of down time.

I had printed off the BC past performances that year and, for the first time, really dug into the handicapping. I'd say I spent between 10 and 15 hours of reading and re-reading the PP's.

I had Elmhurst on top in the Sprint (think he won at like 18-1 with Nakatani up). Was a small bettor at the time. I had a $32 pick six ticket and ended up singling Sharp Cat but kept trying to put the entry that included the winner Ajina on the ticket. Just couldn't afford it. That ended up costing me the pick 6 (had 5 of 6).

I don't recall how much I won that day. But, what I do recall, and what stays with me even to this moment. The adage "study long, study wrong" or "paralysis by analysis" is a fallacy. The more scribbling, the more tattered edges and fading my sheets had (in other words the more time I spent with the PP's in advance of the racing day) the sharper I was.

[nijinski]

Manila was my first , I didn't think anything could beat him on turf ..Drosselmeyer across the board . Mott was not keeping any secrets about how well he trained when they put the bar shoe on and he kept that tender foot protected for the Classic . Distance , no problem. And the price was nice.

[tanner12oz]

I hit the pick 4 the year blame won

[dilanesp]

1986: The Manila-Theatrical exacta in the Turf. Dancing Brave was a European shipper who didn't figure to like the firm turf at Santa Anita. Manila and the Theatrical-Estrapade entry were the logical two horses to beat him.

1987: Very Subtle in the Sprint. Groovy was an obvious bet-against (he was probably the single most overrated sprinter in American history, running big speed figures in races beating a nobody named Sun Master and getting to run the first quarter in 23 seconds in a 6 furlong race), and Very Subtle was just really really fast and figured to get the lead. She did. (Person sitting next to me had Epitome in the Juvenile Fillies-- we were pissed we didn't split a daily double ticket which would have paid 4,000 bucks or something.)

1988: Great Communicator in the Turf. Very similar play to Very Subtle-- an overrated New York horse (Sunshine Forever) took all the money.

1989: Steinlen in the Mile. I hammered him based on his Arlington Million win.

1990: Unbridled in the Classic. Weak favorite (Rhythm), and the horse was working well. But I got lucky-- got an amazing ride from Pat Day to win the thing.

1992: Thirty Slews in the Sprint. This was Baffert's first really good horse after switching from quarter horses.

1994: Tikkanen in the turf. Just one of those Breeders' Cup overlays that happen when a good horse goes off at way too high a price.

2001: Banks Hill in the Filly and Mare Turf. She'd beaten a bunch of good colts in Europe, and loved the soft Belmont turf.

Tiznow in the Classic. He had thrown in a clunker in his last race, but the clockers said he looked great coming out of that race.

2003: Six Perfections in the Mile. Another filly who had been beating up on colts in Europe.

Pleasantly Perfect in the Classic. Course specialist at Santa Anita against a handicap division that took turns beating each other.

2012: My best Breeders Cup. First, Calidoscopio in the Marathon-- he was a 2 mile specialist from Argentina who was fine on dirt. He may have given me the greatest single thrill at a racetrack, because he came from 40 lengths back.

And then, a double from Trinniberg in the Sprint to Little Mike in the Turf. Trinniberg was a speedball who had just run in way too many distance races and finally got to run his best distance-- he was sort of like Gulch who also won this race. And Little Mike was a classy turf horse who was a big overlay. The double paid over $700.

2013: Mucho Macho Man in the Classic. I posted that pick here in PA. I was salivating on betting him because he loved Santa Anita so much.

[ebcorde]

Filly and mare turf. I bet by studying the prior breeder's cup winners of Owners and Trainers. I then Made 6-7 $1 supers for $24 each before racing began that day, 1 horse on top, the rest in 2nd,3rd,4th . The bomb was a stablemate so I threw him in underneath.

I made my Luck that day.

[PhantomOnTour]

Many memorable longshots:
Anees
Better Talk Now
Pleasant Home
Lahudood
Shared Account

But my best Breeders Cup by a very large margin was last year, when I literally could not miss.
I had:
Bobbys Kitten
Work All Week
Karakontie
Texas Red
Main Sequence
...and if Toast Of New York had fought his way past Bayern in the Classic it would have been the dream day at the races come true.
It was still my best day ever as I hit for five figures in the end.

This year is sure to be a let down...lol

[no breathalyzer]

Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour

Many memorable longshots:
Anees
Better Talk Now
Pleasant Home
Lahudood
Shared Account

But my best Breeders Cup by a very large margin was last year, when I literally could not miss.
I had:
Bobbys Kitten
Work All Week
Karakontie
Texas Red
Main Sequence
...and if Toast Of New York had fought his way past Bayern in the Classic it would have been the dream day at the races come true.
It was still my best day ever as I hit for five figures in the end.

This year is sure to be a let down...lol

Might be my favorite horse of all time and the horse that got me hooked for life

[Secondbest]

Originally Posted by fmhealth

Kev, just as a reminder. If you had bet EVERY horse at odds of 20-1 or better in EVERY BC race you would now have a profit of 35%.If you started this strategy in 99-03 you would be ahead a remarkable 82%!!! Also, if you had simply bet EVERY horse, no matter what the odds were,during this time period,you would also have a positive ROI, albeit a small one.

BTW, this is significantly better than the results I've been able to generate.

Thanks. I read this early this year but forgot if it was 15 or 20 to 1 .Depending on how many 20-1 there are it might be worth a shot this year.

[uncbossfan]

BC hasn't been kind to me over the years, but hoping for a big day Sat while in attendance.

Biggest score was on Furthest Land in the dirt mile at 19-1.

[jahura2]

Best individual scores
Adoration at 40-1 across the board in the Distaff.
Thors Echo- BC Sprint
Tiznow both times.
Most crushing near miss... all in, on Seeking the Gold over Alysheba at Churchill '88.

[biggestal99]

1. Six perfections--win bet and future bet
2. Goldikova--keyed in pick 3's and 4's
3. Nownownow---win,exacta,trifecta,superfecta
4. Vale of york--win, exacta,trifecta

Allan