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BlueShoe · 11-21-2009, 04:53 PM

Besides the close photo,there is a bit more on the #4,Turbulence.When the TVG hosts mentioned that he was a first starter that was being bet,did a little checking,and sure enough,he was 5-1 on the ML and eventually went off the 2-1 favorite.A check of the pools at 5 and 2 minutes before post showed an out of line pool ratio,although they did fill very late as usually happens.All this means is that this runner was heavily bet,most likely by his people,as he was a first starter.Broke real bad and steadied,and would have been much the best with a good trip.Tough,tough loss,and there had to have been some big tickets torn up by those that seriously got down on this horse.

Greyfox · 11-21-2009, 11:46 PM

Several people at the betting parlor that I attend mentioned that race and that photo.
They said "the result and photo was ridiculous, it wasn't even close."
As they saw it, the inside horse clearly won.
I'm just reporting what they said.
I suspect that the starter of this thread might have thought the same.

The photo which was ultimately presented of course shows otherwise.

PaceAdvantage · 11-22-2009, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bochall

I didnt have a bet on this race so who won the photo is of no consequence to me...i dont care.

That's awesome dude...thanks for sharing!

Stillriledup · 11-22-2009, 04:54 AM

This photo in question i was 100 percent wrong, it didn't look all that close watching the slow mo.

Btw, the Machowsky photo that people were dicussing on here is from a race on Dec 4, 2008 at Hollywood. KBELLO beat Gooch's Dream (allegedly).

bildi66 · 11-22-2009, 05:24 AM

This reminds me of the time I was at Arlington and bet $40 to win on All Worked Up, a 9-5 favorite with Pat Day up.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-3999521.html

My winning ticket paid about $35, as I recall.............

CBedo · 11-22-2009, 07:44 PM

I did have a bet on the race on the 1, and I was worried about Turbulence as he was being bet really heavy early in the betting. In a maiden claimer to see a first timer taking so much action, I guessed he had to be live, and as such, I used him with the 1 both ways in the exacta. He got a terrible start before getting into the race and that may have been the difference in the result. Watching the race, I actually thought he got there, and this is the first time I saw the photo. Wow. Personally, I think the photo is correct and if you closely, you see the top of the 1's nose touching the wire, not the 4's.

For what it's worth (not much), I voted for the 1 before realizing what race it was.

The_Knight_Sky · 11-23-2009, 06:35 AM

I didn't bet this race but I saw The Sarge of TVG make mention of it on another forum. So I went out and made a poll at my blog. I have already voted but not among the three choices listed here. Pace Advantage experts are urged to vote on this inter-forum poll also.

Everyone at Pace Advantage votes at the host site or at my blog which allows 1 vote per computer.
Thank you for participating.

Joey D · 11-23-2009, 08:17 AM

The

horse's nose is touching the line but the backround is almost a perfect match in color to the tip of the nose which makes it look like there is space in between.

The_Knight_Sky · 11-23-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Joey D

The

horse's nose is touching the line but the backround
is almost a perfect match in color to the tip of the nose
which makes it look like there is space in between.

This isn't a question of who was put up by the placing judges,
but what do the fans think of that image presented to the public?

I voted: The race isn't over.

There is brown dirt in the gap between #1's nostril and the wire.
I don't see how anyone can vote that #1 clearly has his nose on the wire.
Because he simply isn't there yet.

Neither of the two horses are shown "clearly" touching the wire.
In the next millisecond the rail horse

with Talamo and Turbulence
may very well have been seen touching the wire before the #1.

If they're going to have photo finishes presented to the public
at least provide modern equipment that functions in low light and smoggy conditions.
More than $500,000 was wagered on this race around the country.
Imagine the uproar if the race in question was The Kentucky Derby conducted at night.

johnhannibalsmith · 11-23-2009, 10:58 AM

Return to pages one and two and brush up on how photo finish works. There is no line that they 'reach'. The picture is always of the horses at the wire and the line is drawn as a reference point to compare the positioning of the horses.

The_Knight_Sky · 11-23-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zman179

The 1 horse's nostrils are flared up and that's what made the difference.

Yep. that's quite a flare-up on Pinocchio's nose below.
This image was available from another forum.

But seriously with today's night-vision technology we can do better than this.
Can we not? Imagine if this was major race and the public was treated to this particular image with $3 million wagered on the race, heck riots would break out !

No one would make it out of Inglewood alive !

Frank Angst · 11-23-2009, 03:08 PM

It would be great if someone with better searching capabilities than my own could find the photo that circulated on the Internet of Star Dabbler apparently winning the 2006 Indiana Derby in a race that was declared a dead heat. I actually had Cielo Gold in that race so it helped me out but decision appeared to be wrong.
A protest by the connections of Star Dabbler did not produce any change in the DH result.

The_Knight_Sky · 11-23-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Angst

A protest by the connections of Star Dabbler
did not produce any change in the DH result.

Frank -
I remember watching that race at The Meadowlands.
In fact I was searching for the photo around the web last year but to no avail.
I'll keep an eye out for it still.

JohnhannibalSmith -
I know you mean well and but if anyone is going to draw that perpendicular line, at least make it look like it is incontrovertible and indisputable evidence that the horse's nose is directly on the marked line on the image.

As it stands there's a lot of smudge between that nose and the wire.
If the background was green I'd say there's about at least a 1/2 inch left to reach that drawn perpendicular line.
As a result horse racing fans around the web are not sold.
The second choice has almost caught up with the top choice as of late Monday afternoon.

vote now

saratoga guy · 11-24-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Angst

It would be great if someone with better searching capabilities than my own could find the photo that circulated on the Internet of Star Dabbler apparently winning the 2006 Indiana Derby in a race that was declared a dead heat. I actually had Cielo Gold in that race so it helped me out but decision appeared to be wrong.

The decision wasn't wrong -- the photo that circulated on the internet immediately after the race was a screen capture from video. The poor quality of that image was what prompted the owners to appeal.

http://www.equidaily.com/images/2006/indyphto.jpg

However, the appeal wasn't denied -- it was dropped after Hoosier released the actual photo which was clearer.

http://www.equidaily.com/images/2006/indphtob.jpg

46zilzal · 11-24-2009, 03:54 PM

No self respecting photo finish camera would send out such a poor quality shot. YOU HAVE to HAVE the line On at least one of the noses. Poor poor quality shot.

Also with digital photos, once you get above 250% magnification, pixels start becoming larger than contours and will negate real differences.

Our contract with the Canadian Parimutuel Agency will not allow any image to leave the local system and I am not allowed to make any prints that could be recognized as coming from any particular race.