Bob Baffert suspended 90 days, fined $7,500, Medina Spirit DQed from Kentucky Derby

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by PalaceOfFortLarned

Gun Runner also enjoyed a gold rail that day on a speed favoring track.

Hyperbole is amazing isn't it?

So now I should apologize for doing my job and trying to help players?

Retreads are so boring.

[PalaceOfFortLarned]

Originally Posted by the little guy

So now I should apologize for doing my job and trying to help players?

Retreads are so boring.

You attacked me in post #122 , and now call me a retread.

I've only given my opinion on any matter, and not offensive to anyone.

I like the work you do for NYRA.

[VeryOldMan]

Originally Posted by the little guy

He's a good trainer, with good horses, that thinks the rules don't apply to him. Only one part of that is the actual problem.

I'd rather get back to this part than Arrogate v. Secretariat. I liked Arrogate - but have him beat Sham first at 1 1/8, then he can face the final boss Secretariat

The vet records for Medina Spirit linked upthread (plus those for Gamine elsewhere in that Twitter feed) give some idea of how much Baffert's operation relies on owners willing to spend significant $$$ on all sorts of veterinary treatments, etc. (including entrapped epiglottis surgery for Medina Spirit in March before the Kentucky Derby). Recall Baffert's spate of horses dropping dead with thyroid medicine onboard. Etc. Nothing illegal. Just a reminder that an unlimited vet budget can keep your horse in training, allow them to work harder, etc. Baffert is so used to massive vet presence/spending that all of these violations could be background noise to him.

But completely agreed with dilanesp - the sport can survive without Baffert in it.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by PalaceOfFortLarned

You attacked me in post #122

HOW? How in post #122 were you "attacked"?????

What world am I living in, exactly?

Attacked...

Not looking to blow up this thread, but SO TIRED of people claiming "ATTACK" when nothing of the sort took place.

[PalaceOfFortLarned]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

HOW? How in post #122 were you "attacked"?????

What world am I living in, exactly?

Attacked...

Not looking to blow up this thread, but SO TIRED of people claiming "ATTACK" when nothing of the sort took place.

You're right #132 was better.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

HOW? How in post #122 were you "attacked"?????

What world am I living in, exactly?

Attacked...

Not looking to blow up this thread, but SO TIRED of people claiming "ATTACK" when nothing of the sort took place.

I obviously never attacked him once. Apparently disagreeing and pointing out falsehoods is an attack.

I remember when people did attack others on message boards. Now people just whine when called on their BS.

[cj]

Originally Posted by PalaceOfFortLarned

Gun Runner also enjoyed a gold rail that day on a speed favoring track.

Hyperbole is amazing isn't it?

How far back was he? 20 lengths certainly doesn't seem like a stretch if we are honest. What is it 15 or 16? Can't be less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yp2...el=RacingDubai

If anything, that was a dead rail that day and speed wasn't great, not a gold rail. It isn't even really debatable.

Here is the Trakus chart from that day if you anyone wants to see the actual lengths back. Doesn't look like it was ever 10 if I'm reading them right, starting at the 100 meter mark.

http://tnetwork.trakus.com/tnet/t_Me...&DisplayType=1

[PalaceOfFortLarned]

Originally Posted by the little guy

I obviously never attacked him once. Apparently disagreeing and pointing out falsehoods is an attack.

I remember when people did attack others on message boards. Now people just whine when called on their BS.

You're never wrong. My fault.

[Andy Asaro]

Twitter

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by PalaceOfFortLarned

Gun Runner also enjoyed a gold rail that day on a speed favoring track.

I'm claiming foul here.

Horses were rallying from far back on the far outside all day on that track and Gun Runner never appreciated the wet going (plus he wasn't near the horse he eventually became yet). We know how good Arrogate was for a few races (very very good), but imo that setup wasn't nearly as bad as it looked.

(edit: I see CJ beat me to it)

[foregoforever]

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro

https://twitter.com/kathrynpapp/stat...21375330914304

This shows that MS was treated with Otomax twice, on 4/9/2021 and 4/19/2021.

Compare this to Baffert's statement on 5/11/21 (emphasis mine):

Following the Santa Anita Derby, Medina Spirit developed dermatitis on his hind end. I had him checked out by my veterinarian who recommended the use of an anti-fungal ointment called Otomax. The veterinary recommendation was to apply this ointment daily to give the horse relief, help heal the dermatitis, and prevent it from spreading. My barn followed this recommendation and Medina Spirit was treated with Otomax once a day up until the day before the Kentucky Derby. Yesterday, I was informed that one of the substances in Otomax is betamethasone.

So which is it?

[davew]

Originally Posted by foregoforever

This shows that MS was treated with Otomax twice, on 4/9/2021 and 4/19/2021.

Compare this to Baffert's statement on 5/11/21 (emphasis mine):



So which is it?

Is it not possible the veterinarian left and charged for 2 tubes of Otomax with instructions to apply daily topically?

[Bustin Stones]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Except in all probability it won't be the same people, as many people, and for some horses it will occur outside CA. It's CA that has to interpret the rules for how to handle this.

If Baffert's suspension results in an acceleration of horse talent leaving Cali, then Cali has bigger racing problems than Baffert's suspension. And it wouldn't be solved by Baffert's remaining there.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I'm claiming foul here.

Horses were rallying from far back on the far outside all day on that track and Gun Runner never appreciated the wet going (plus he wasn't near the horse he eventually became yet). We know how good Arrogate was for a few races (very very good), but imo that setup wasn't nearly as bad as it looked.

(edit: I see CJ beat me to it)

Also, while you'd obviously always rather have a good start rather than a bad start, in a long race, bad starts are far from fatal, especially when the horse is not a need-the-lead type. There's plenty of time to get back into the race, as Arrogate did.

[PalaceOfFortLarned]

Originally Posted by cj

If anything, that was a dead rail that day and speed wasn't great, not a gold rail. It isn't even really debatable.

Here is the Trakus chart from that day if you anyone wants to see the actual lengths back. Doesn't look like it was ever 10 if I'm reading them right, starting at the 100 meter mark.

http://tnetwork.trakus.com/tnet/t_Me...&DisplayType=1

What is the highest rating you have ever given a horse CJ?