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Old 11-08-2017, 04:59 PM   #46
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Old 11-08-2017, 05:32 PM   #47
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He may not have sought his support, but he supported all of Trump's policies from Immigration, to gun control. to Obamacare repeal and so on. That is what cost Gillespie the election.

Gillespie performed worse than Trump, because in the past twelve months, Virginians have come to realize what an unmitigated disaster Trump is and how awful his policies are. Of the people who said their vote was influenced by Trump. two thirds said they were influenced to vote against Trump-hence against Gillespie.

When Gillespie ran against Mark Warner for Senator a few years ago, he ran as a much more moderate candidate. He did well in the northern Democratic counties losing by 3 or 4 percent and even winning one. This time as a radical Trumpite he lost by 20%
Actually, mosty, Gillespie was down double digits for most the campaign. He closed the gap the last 2-3 weeks only after he began mentioning policies that might be considered 'Trump' policies, like being against sanctuary cities, etc. Prior to that he distanced himself from Trump and hired all well-known anti-Trumpers to run his campaign. Look where that got him.

Spin this all you want... Trump lost Virginia to Hillary by 5 points or so. Gillespie lost by 8 percentage points. GOP candidate for Lt. Governor, Jill Vogel, did better than Gillespie too.

Why did Gillespie's running mate do better than stupid Ed did, if Trump was the anchor as you say? She did better because she openly supported Trump, that's why.

I know all you guys want to make this a Trump loss. Go ahead. People know better, especially those that are working to purge the chronic and consistent losers in the GOP, such as Gillespie, all things Bush, Rove, Corker, McCain, Flake and other jerks.
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Old 11-08-2017, 08:47 PM   #48
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-Trump's approval rating remains mired below 40%
-Democrats lead by 10 points on a generic congressional ballot poll.
-Republican incumbents are retiring at a rapid pace (NJ Representative Frank LoBiondo and Texas representative Ted Poe on Tuesday alone).
-Democrats are recruiting an astonishing number of well funded candidates.
-Democrats have performed well overall in special elections in the U.S. Congress relative to the partisanship of those districts.
-The opposition party almost always gains ground at midterm elections.

The last is one of the most durable rules of American politics. Off year and special elections generally favor the party out of favor and a President as unpopular as Trump probably exaggerates that effect.

It probably makes Democrats small favorites to take the House despite the 2010 gerrymander. They have virtually no chance in the Senate because the seats that are up in 2018 are largely Democratic.

I think my friend reckless will enjoy the results in 2018 because the Republicans most at risk are those in the few remaining swing districts. Trump remains popular with the Republican base which is why Ed Gillespie had to thread such a narrow needle in purple Virginia (and ultimately failed).

The likelihood is that the remaining Republican party in 2018 will be a much purer Trump party emphasizing his nationalism with less dissent.

Anyone around in 1974 will recognize the pattern. Following Nixon's resignation, Eisenhower Republican's either retired or lost. The party belonged to Reagan a short time later. Now it's time for those Reagan Republican's to walk the plank.
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Old 11-08-2017, 09:07 PM   #49
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Actually, mosty, Gillespie was down double digits for most the campaign. He closed the gap the last 2-3 weeks only after he began mentioning policies that might be considered 'Trump' policies, like being against sanctuary cities, etc. Prior to that he distanced himself from Trump and hired all well-known anti-Trumpers to run his campaign. Look where that got him.

Spin this all you want... Trump lost Virginia to Hillary by 5 points or so. Gillespie lost by 8 percentage points. GOP candidate for Lt. Governor, Jill Vogel, did better than Gillespie too.

Why did Gillespie's running mate do better than stupid Ed did, if Trump was the anchor as you say? She did better because she openly supported Trump, that's why.

I know all you guys want to make this a Trump loss. Go ahead. People know better, especially those that are working to purge the chronic and consistent losers in the GOP, such as Gillespie, all things Bush, Rove, Corker, McCain, Flake and other jerks.
I don't think Gillespie fits the mold of the majority of Trump voters. He has been solidly in the Bush's camp for years, he actually ran the RNC for many years. In other words, he reeks of the smelly swamp. Lots of facts in this election sort of defies logic. Gillespie actually received the second highest number of votes ever cast in a VA gubernatorial election, Northram the highest. Would like to see totals of mail in ballots vs. ballots cast at polls. There was a wide decrevacy between polls and final votes, a close race was predicted.
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Old 11-08-2017, 10:02 PM   #50
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I don't think Gillespie fits the mold of the majority of Trump voters. He has been solidly in the Bush's camp for years, he actually ran the RNC for many years.
Do Virginia voters fit the mold of the majority of Trump voters?

The big thing the Gillespie bashers are ignoring is that Virginia is a blue state. Hillary won it in 2016. And for a little fun with numbers that probably don't mean much, Gillespie had 45.1% of the vote in this election, while Trump had 44.4% in 2016.
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Virginia is literally the swamp. Relies on Washington money to exist.

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As usual, Clocker, very valid points.
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Old 11-08-2017, 11:20 PM   #53
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The big thing the Gillespie bashers are ignoring is that Virginia is a blue state..
Virginia was red from 1968-2004, but has gone blue since 2008. Fair to say it's purple.
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Try to stay awake. I will explain it to you. In the Virginia House of Delegates before tonight, Republicans held a 66-34 Majority. Right now, Democrats are within three successful recounts of controlling that body. Also, Northram's nine point margin of victory is the largest by a Democratic gubernatorial canidate in 32 years.
Big newsflash: Dems win in Dem states hat Trump lost. Pretty predictable.
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Old 11-09-2017, 12:00 AM   #55
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Not everyone opposed to Obama and Hillary is a Republican. Many viewed Trump as the lesser of two evils, period.

How much of Trump's evil agenda savaged by the left has he managed to implement?
It's not up to him to implement. It's up to the Congress, but they can't seem to agree on anything. Not Trump's fault. But things he could do himself he has done. He rolled back hundreds of Obama's business stifling regs. Result: two straight quarters of 3% growth, something Obama couldn't do in 8 yrs. More Americans going back to work. And for the first time in 8 yrs the world is taking an American President most seriously. And the list goes on an on.
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It's not up to him to implement. It's up to the Congress, but they can't seem to agree on anything. Not Trump's fault.
So the president can just proclaim his wishes and sit back while the Members of Congress do his bidding?

While Congress is in theory independent of the executive branch, it often needs more leadership than it has internally. This is obviously the case with the current Congress, and I see no evidence of any leadership from the White House in working with his party to get joint goals accomplished.
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It's not up to him to implement. It's up to the Congress, but they can't seem to agree on anything. Not Trump's fault. But things he could do himself he has done. He rolled back hundreds of Obama's business stifling regs. Result: two straight quarters of 3% growth, something Obama couldn't do in 8 yrs. More Americans going back to work. And for the first time in 8 yrs the world is taking an American President most seriously. And the list goes on an on.
You should look at 2014 q2 and q3. Consecutive 4%+ GDP growth.

Of course, that was back when good economic news was being dismissed here as faked statistics by the same government staticians that are now providing the proof you want to cite.
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What has Trump done that made Americans overall worse off than they were before he took office?
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