IRAD ORTIZ

[VigorsTheGrey]

Originally Posted by cj

It was Cancel.

I'm not sure why you'd say the 3 was a dog in the PPs. She was 3rd off the layoff, had run some decent races as a 2yo, and was dropping in class.

You are right CJ, not the worst stab...still BRIS had Love Mo ranked 11 out of 11; was 8th by 13 lengths last out; 4th by 26 lengths 2 back and coming back off a 60 day layoff...and was the 2nd longest odds horse, so punters mostly had low regard as well...had speed and dropping in class and had the benefit of an excellent tactical ride.

[Profesor]

Originally Posted by bobphilo

I agree. I think she just wasn't good enough and it wasn't due to the ride. When a horse runs poorly because it is rated excessively it typically gains on the leader in the stretch as she applies her energy too late. The 10 actually lost ground on the leader. in the stretch. The only horses she passed late were tiring. This was not the typical finish of a horse who went too slow early.

Interesting,My experience has been just the opposite, when you try to rate excessively a front runner presser like the #10 it usually spits the bit in the stretch.

[bobphilo]

Originally Posted by Profesor

Interesting,My experience has been just the opposite, when you try to rate excessively a front runner presser like the #10 it usually spits the bit in the stretch.

True, that sometimes happens but in such cases the horse's reaction in resistance is usually evident early when the unwanted rating occurs. In watching the race it actually seemed like the 2 leaders were resenting rating more than the 10. After a quick start, the 10 just seemed to be not as keen today rather than resenting being rated. I could be wrong but that was my visual impression.
Believe me, I am no fan of Irad and his sometimes reckless race ridding. He seemed to have no sense of pace in the JCGC, though he may have just been on a horse that wouldn't be rated. I think today he was likely riding to instructions, as cj suggested, on a day the horse was just not at her best regardless of the ride.

[Profesor]

Originally Posted by cj

They were close on the Pace Projector with the 10 shown one position ahead of the 3.

I'm not sure why anyone would expect a horse ridden by Irad and trained by Chad Brown to be gunning out of the gate regardless of the course condition. It just doesn't happen.

Javier must’ve forgot that the #1 Mensa Member in todays 5th was trained by Chad Btown
Because even though in his only previous start he was a closer today he was gunned to the lead in order not to let the 7 who was the obvious lone speed
Steal the race, it happens when they want friend,

[AltonKelsey]

You have two choices.


Continue to blame riders for your lousy handicapping (or just plain bad luck) or,


Get better at analysis. That includes understanding that the printed page is not the same as the flesh and blood on the racetrack.





Good news is, the windows will remain open to you regardless of which path you choose.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Profesor

Javier must’ve forgot that the #1 Mensa Member in todays 5th was trained by Chad Btown
Because even though in his only previous start he was a closer today he was gunned to the lead in order not to let the 7 who was the obvious lone speed
Steal the race, it happens when they want friend,

Well, the rider was a part of my original statement, Irad AND Chad, not Irad OR Chad. Please don't bother posting the next time Irad goes to the front on a horse trained by Chad Brown on turf. I'm sure it happens occasionally. It just isn't something I'd ever count on.

[Profesor]

Originally Posted by cj

Well, the rider was a part of my original statement, Irad AND Chad, not Irad OR Chad. Please don't bother posting the next time Irad goes to the front on a horse trained by Chad Brown on turf. I'm sure it happens occasionally. It just isn't something I'd ever count on.

Got it C.J,IRAD is not allowed to send by C.B Javier is
Thanks

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Profesor

Got it C.J,IRAD is not allowed to send by C.B Javier is
Thanks

You should quit while you are behind.

[jay68802]

Originally Posted by the little guy

You should quit while you are behind.

Sort of like the .

[Profesor]

Originally Posted by AltonKelsey

You have two choices.


Continue to blame riders for your lousy handicapping (or just plain bad luck) or,


Get better at analysis. That includes understanding that the printed page is not the same as the flesh and blood on the racetrack.





Good news is, the windows will remain open to you regardless of which path you choose.

I don’t know who you are but by the way you put these posts together you are an arrogant know it all who really knows nothing,I questioned a ride by a very good rider and now according to you I’m lousy handicapper,Like you know who I’m, and what I do for a living, F.Y.I I’ve been wagering on thoroughbreds since 1972 and the days that I haven’t wagered since then till now you can count on the fingers of 1 of your hands,I use the Ragozin SHEETS since 1988 ( yeah they cost $35 per track per day I buy 2 tracks daily N.Y AND FLA that’s $70 per day probably more than your monthly handle))

Now buzz off

[Profesor]

Originally Posted by the little guy

You should quit while you are behind.

I can’t reply to you because the house protects you

[AltonKelsey]

lol. I thought 21st century sheet players used Thorograph.


Jerry was computerized for years while Len still scribbled in pen.


Anyhow, I didn't know I was in the presence of a pro, so I must defer to anything you might think.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Profesor

I can’t reply to you because the house protects you

I don't think Irad has been riding particularly well at Belmont either, but you chose a very odd race to criticize him, at least in my opinion. What is really hurting him at this meet is his complete failure to read the racetrack, most notably the main track where the rail has been very much the place to be the entire meet.

The horse you are referring to could pretty much never have been the speed. You can continue to insist otherwise, but he just wasn't fast enough, and frankly as a handicapper, expecting Irad to send a horse that on paper is too slow to make the lead is a failure by you, not Irad….especially on a Chad Brown horse.

[linrom1]

Originally Posted by Profesor

...( yeah they cost $35 per track per day I buy 2 tracks daily N.Y AND FLA that’s $70 per day probably more than your monthly handle))

Now buzz off

Given all the 'stuff' that's going at NYRA, that should be your total monthly wagers there.

What I would like to know is who can fire the lot! And I mean all of them including the track announcer, racing secretary, Dir of Racing Operations, analysts and that guy whose racing expertise comes from selling toys at a company that went bankrupt just like NYRA will.

[jay68802]

Originally Posted by linrom1

Given all the 'stuff' that's going at NYRA, that should be your total monthly wagers there.

What I would like to know is who can fire the lot! And I mean all of them including the track announcer, racing secretary, Dir of Racing Operations, analysts and that guy whose racing expertise comes from selling toys at a company that went bankrupt just like NYRA will.

Why fire the people? Just get FULL FIELDS.