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06-22-2019, 11:47 PM
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Just another Facist
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Doug O’Neill must be sitting back and laughing
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06-23-2019, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
Doug O’Neill must be sitting back and laughing
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We're banning Hollendorfer yet guys like Navarro and Servis run wild. This is pure window dressing.
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06-23-2019, 11:56 AM
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#93
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Tim Ritvo, Job well done.
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06-23-2019, 12:06 PM
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Vancouver Island
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Originally Posted by airford1
Tim Ritvo, Job well done.
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airford1
I have to agree not before time and let us hope more to come.
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07-22-2019, 09:53 AM
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#95
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07-22-2019, 11:59 AM
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#96
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
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I hate symbolic stuff like this from politicians. There are no tracks within the city limits of Los Angeles.
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07-22-2019, 12:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
I hate symbolic stuff like this from politicians. There are no tracks within the city limits of Los Angeles.
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Arcadia is in LA County, though, I believe. Would the county follow the city's lead?
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07-22-2019, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
Arcadia is in LA County, though, I believe. Would the county follow the city's lead?
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No.
I am not even sure the County has the power to ban horse racing. Horse racing is authorized at Santa Anita under state law. That preempts a county ordinance.
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07-22-2019, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
No.
I am not even sure the County has the power to ban horse racing. Horse racing is authorized at Santa Anita under state law. That preempts a county ordinance.
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That gets into sticky legal issues. I am not sure of it either. But I am positive that there would be a long legal battle before it ever possibly got enforced.
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07-22-2019, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Hero
That gets into sticky legal issues. I am not sure of it either. But I am positive that there would be a long legal battle before it ever possibly got enforced.
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It's fantasyland anyway. The city is "banning" horse racing precisely because it has no effect. It's just grandstanding.
But yes, I suspect a hypothetical county ordinance banning it would be quickly enjoined by the courts and quite possibly never enforced. How can the county ban an activity that a state regulatory agency has specifically authorized?
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07-22-2019, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
It's fantasyland anyway. The city is "banning" horse racing precisely because it has no effect. It's just grandstanding.
But yes, I suspect a hypothetical county ordinance banning it would be quickly enjoined by the courts and quite possibly never enforced. How can the county ban an activity that a state regulatory agency has specifically authorized?
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E-cigs are specifically authorized by Cali state law, but San Fran recently banned e-cigs. Is that being challenged?
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07-22-2019, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
E-cigs are specifically authorized by Cali state law, but San Fran recently banned e-cigs. Is that being challenged?
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Not the same.
The comparable hypothetical is if there was a single venue in the Northern California region that the statutorily empowered e-cigarette regulatory agency chose, based on a formal application and review, to sell e-cigarettes during a specific period. And that state approved and licensed venue was located in the City of San Francisco.
In that situation, you bet the city can't bar it.
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07-22-2019, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Not the same.
The comparable hypothetical is if there was a single venue in the Northern California region that the statutorily empowered e-cigarette regulatory agency chose, based on a formal application and review, to sell e-cigarettes during a specific period. And that state approved and licensed venue was located in the City of San Francisco.
In that situation, you bet the city can't bar it.
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If state law specifically authorizes the running of races at SA, what you're saying makes sense.
I guess a voter-driven ballot initiative is the real threat.
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07-22-2019, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
If state law specifically authorizes the running of races at SA, what you're saying makes sense.
I guess a voter-driven ballot initiative is the real threat.
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It's the only threat (the state legislature will never ban racing), but it is a very serious one. It's very easy to pass initiatives here and animal rights are a huge deal.
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07-22-2019, 05:36 PM
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$2 Showbettor
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
If state law specifically authorizes the running of races at SA, what you're saying makes sense.
I guess a voter-driven ballot initiative is the real threat.
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I'm surprised these "voter initiatives" have never been challenged in court. It's my understanding that we live in a democratic republic - we use democracy (majority rules) to elect our leaders, but once elected our leaders rule by making policies based on their knowledge, experience and conscious, even though a policy might be unpopular with the majority. A mayor, for a simple example, might decide to build a bridge across a river in the north end of town, that the rest of the town will never use.
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