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Old 01-22-2019, 04:52 PM   #31
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You must be joking stating the Rams "cheated" to win the game. The Rams have zero to do with any calls made. Truth is ,if you watched closely the refs blew many calls in favor of the Saints as well. Focusing on the PI alone is a very weak stance as the sole reason the Saints lost . Payton's play calls and clock management had as much to do with the loss as anything.

Steelers fan here and I did not cry when they took a TD away last year against the Patriots on a clear catch that was ruled incomplete. Have enough sports sense to see Tomlin and Steelers offense blew many opportunities much like the Saints that made one play stand out that should not have.

The entire game must be taken into account as it all matters and plays a role in the outcome.
The Jessie James play vs the Pats WAS NOT A CATCH, period. Going by the rules in place at the time, the refs made the correct call. It wasn't a catch so there was no reason for you to cry about it.
This wasn't just a bad call....it was the worst of all time, at the worst possible time. This is the Jorge Orta safe call in the '85 World Series.
The game would have effectively been over if the ref throws the flag. Saints take three knees and kick a field goal with about a 97% chance of making it. Then they kick off with something like 15secs to play.

It was simply a massive and egregious error that can't be fixed. Fire the whole crew....this CANNOT happen on that big of a stage. This wasn't week 3 vs Tampa Bay; this was the NFC Champ game for crying out loud.

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Old 01-22-2019, 07:02 PM   #32
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The Jessie James play vs the Pats WAS NOT A CATCH, period. Going by the rules in place at the time, the refs made the correct call. It wasn't a catch so there was no reason for you to cry about it.
This wasn't just a bad call....it was the worst of all time, at the worst possible time. This is the Jorge Orta safe call in the '85 World Series.
The game would have effectively been over if the ref throws the flag. Saints take three knees and kick a field goal with about a 97% chance of making it. Then they kick off with something like 15secs to play.

It was simply a massive and egregious error that can't be fixed. Fire the whole crew....this CANNOT happen on that big of a stage. This wasn't week 3 vs Tampa Bay; this was the NFC Champ game for crying out loud.

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I agree it was a bad call but my initial response was toward the claim that the Rams cheated. They did not cheat and this particular non call became such a game changer due to ridiculous play calling and clock management by Payton. I am not even sure the pass was catchable but it was certainly helmet to helmet contact. There were also calls earlier that the refs missed against the Saints culminating to make this final missed call a game changer. Saints also had their opportunity to right this wrong in OT but could not. Stating OT should have never occurred in the first place is also not a certainty as the Rams drove into field goal position in the first half with 23 seconds on the clock with a kicker with great range.
As for Jesse James , even with the rules at the time it still took forever to overturn the call on a ball that moved slightly after being controlled thru the goal line but possibly not to the ground per the rules.
It is just sour grapes on a bad call on a huge stage that should not have mattered in the first place. Go Steelers!

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Old 01-22-2019, 07:25 PM   #33
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The game would have effectively been over if the ref throws the flag. Saints take three knees and kick a field goal with about a 97% chance of making it. Then they kick off with something like 15secs to play.
Effectively over? Yes, but the fat lady doesn't sing until the game's last play. So Parkey's missed field goal? Definitely changed the outcome of the game because it was the last play! If there's time on the clock something can happen -- bad snap, fumble, return for TD, defensive penalty, something.

I could argue the Saints lost because the Rams D held them early in the game to 6 points in the RZ instead of 14. Who's to say I'm wrong? Unless it's the last play of the game any outcome is possible because the game up to that point is a series of plays, not just a single deterministic one.
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Effectively over? Yes, but the fat lady doesn't sing until the game's last play. So Parkey's missed field goal? Definitely changed the outcome of the game because it was the last play! If there's time on the clock something can happen -- bad snap, fumble, return for TD, defensive penalty, something.

I could argue the Saints lost because the Rams D held them early in the game to 6 points in the RZ instead of 14. Who's to say I'm wrong? Unless it's the last play of the game any outcome is possible because the game up to that point is a series of plays, not just a single deterministic one.
Sure, anything can happen....but I'll take my chances with a 20yd FG with less than 20 seconds on the clock. You simply cannot argue that if the correct call is made the Rams have a good shot at coming back.
They would have needed a miracle, which is FAR less likely than someone making a short field goal and their team holding on with 20 seconds to play.
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Old 01-23-2019, 09:44 AM   #35
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Sure, anything can happen....but I'll take my chances with a 20yd FG with less than 20 seconds on the clock. You simply cannot argue that if the correct call is made the Rams have a good shot at coming back.
They would have needed a miracle, which is FAR less likely than someone making a short field goal and their team holding on with 20 seconds to play.
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I am being logical but most people aren't, so I will put you in that category. Any effing play that happened before the end of the game changes the course of the game. Was it a terrible no-call? Yes, but people who think that one play that is not the LAST PLAY automatically determines the outcome based on probabilities just doesn't understand. Call me silly; I don't give a crap what you think.
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I am being logical but most people aren't, so I will put you in that category. Any effing play that happened before the end of the game changes the course of the game. Was it a terrible no-call? Yes, but people who think that one play that is not the LAST PLAY automatically determines the outcome based on probabilities just doesn't understand. Call me silly; I don't give a crap what you think.
I agree with you. From a big picture standpoint, every snap will have an effect on the outcome of a game. The uproar over this particular call would have been every bit as legitimate if it would have occurred in the first drive of the game. Obviously, when it happened, the score, time left in regulation, and field position just magnified it a hundred thousand times, but the ugly point of the whole issue is that that call must be made. By somebody. Anybody.
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This whole attitude, in every professional sport in this country, that the refs are above criticism, is counter-productive. They blow way too many important plays, with nothing but a "sorry, we missed that one" as the only remedy. They could take away everything that entire refereeing crew ever had in their lives, and it won't do the New Orleans Saints one bit of good. Their whole season, months of pre-season preparation, hours upon hours of late night meetings and other preparations, hours and hours of practices and injuries and anything else you can think of, out the window because of a situation that they were 100% entirely in the right about, and they were absolutely helpless to do anything about it.

There was a play in which Belichick was trying to get the linesman to look at a notepad. I can't remember what the play was, but he had the notepad in his hand, and he was trying to shove it under the ref's nose, and the ref would have none of it. It's frustrating as hell to see it plainly with your own eyes, and you have 9 guys out there who's only job is to keep their eyes on this stuff, and they miss the one's that everybody can see. They have to get those right. That PI in New Orleans has got to be called, one way or another.
You've got to be kidding about the refs being above criticism. When I sit with other basketball referees there are a million stories of coach/fan abuse. Just this season I've been on crews that required a police escort out of the building. Believe me, no bad call goes unnoticed by the coaches or the referees in the stands. That is at every level from pee-wee to pro.

One big difference between the NFL and other pro sports is that the officials are often not full time. Lawyer during the week, referee on Sunday. Baseball, basketball, and hockey have games almost every day and the referees work a lot of games during a season.

If the game is going on, the officials would not stop to look at some coach with a notepad. He did the right thing ignoring Bellichick.

Another thing is that there are 7 officials on the field. Each official has a zone to cover. Most of the time this works well. Yes the crew missed the call, but it is pounded into officials not to be ballhawks. It is also pounded into officials to find the right angles to make the right call. Officials at higher levels (college and pros) are scored every single game, and I'm sure the official that missed the call scored well in his regular season games.

You remember the baseball umpire who call a runner safe when he was out by a goof step, thus ruining a perfect game? He felt worse than you could imagine. Trust me, I've come home from games where my stomach hurt and I couldn't go to sleep because I kicked a an important call in a critical game. We all make mistakes.

You might think the referee is above criticism, but I guarantee that he (or the crew) got beaten up by the head of officials and maybe the Commish in the post-game review. The crew screwed up, no doubt about it. But don't believe they are blasé about it or they are getting a pass from the league.
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I agree with every thing you posted, and I'm certain you're correct. Above criticism wasn't the correct way to put it. There's a meaning I'm trying to convey and I'm not finding the right way to do it. It concerns the inability to some degree to remedy a situation that the NFL just faced, and even worse, an inability to address it.................damn, not sure how to get this across.

I concur that there is no good in coaches and players in ranting about officiating, so a gag type situation is enforced on them that is apparent in post game interviews and such. You see every now and then, whether Europe or Latin America, officials being physically threatened, and sometimes, actually assaulted, that we'd never want to see associated with our professional sports.

Shit, I don't know. Professional sports are so ingrained in our social psyche, and we identify so profoundly with those that we support, that errors not to our advantage are taken as personally as if we were bodily punished by them.

I'm going on total tilt here. For crying out loud, I didn't even have a vested interest in either game, purely watched them for the entertainment I get from watching a good football game. But that one non-call has my panties in a bunch, and it's because I just can't see or accept an excuse for it not getting called, or made right. It was just a blatant wrong I think is what has me worked up. And to be honest, there were a couple other calls during the two games that I thought, come on guys in stripes, really? But I got over those and just vented a little and now.....whatever.

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Actually, there is an obscure NFL rule that allows the commissioner to order a replay from the point of the egregious error. You're not going to ever see that rule implemented, even for as big an error as that no-call was.
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I am being logical but most people aren't, so I will put you in that category. Any effing play that happened before the end of the game changes the course of the game. Was it a terrible no-call? Yes, but people who think that one play that is not the LAST PLAY automatically determines the outcome based on probabilities just doesn't understand. Call me silly; I don't give a crap what you think.
Let's say the refs made the call and the Saints have first and goal with about 1:45 to play.
Gun to your head....which team would you bet on to win the game at that point?
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Let's say the refs made the call and the Saints have first and goal with about 1:45 to play.
Gun to your head....which team would you bet on to win the game at that point?
The Saints. Now you answer two of mine: Was that no-call the last play of the game? And, was it the only play that influenced the outcome of the game?
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The Saints. Now you answer two of mine: Was that no-call the last play of the game? And, was it the only play that influenced the outcome of the game?
No and no.
But by your own admission; if the correct call was made you would take the Saints. Why? Why wouldn't you bet on the Rams?
Didn't the Rams still have a chance since the Saints would have left them a little bit of time? All they need is one play right? Anything can happen right?
My point is that NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would take the Rams at that point....and that call would have all but decided the game.
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Well let's just go ahead and review every play and take a three hour game and make it seven hours. How many more challenges are we going to give coaches now? How many more replay stoppages do we have to put up with? When is a play deemed "crucial" enough to the game outcome to have the commish order a do-over? It just becomes a ridiculous circus because no matter what is done, someone is going to bitch because it goes against their team.

Every team has gotten screwed by a bad call at one time or another. Even multiple times. Get over it. The NFL will go on; let's not make it even more painful to watch.
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Look the Rams got SCREWED TOO....there was blatant face mask missed against GOFF on the proceeding...which 99% cost the Rams a TD instead of field goal...

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sean-mc...104526351.html

Shit happens...generally it evens out...most of the time the Ref's are human and trying to be impartial...(till they're not)....which was the case here...

The Saints lost BECAUSE...(just like the Ga. Bulldogs 2 years ago)...wouldn't go for it on 4th and 1...you saw THE true champs NE & Bill B. go for it...no question...

If you can't get 1 stinking yard...you don't deserve to be champs...PERIOD..
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