The coronavirus

[PaceAdvantage]

Why would you think this would continue at such an even pace for such an extended amount of time?

Has that happened ANYWHERE?

[PaceAdvantage]

CNN sure is trying hard over something with supposedly 0 basis in fact:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/media...ing/index.html

[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

What I see is a parabolic rise in cases that timed almost perfectly to the Democrat-endorsed riots, looting and protests.

Good job there...

Have already told you, NYC, Wash D.C, New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts did not have any spikes, rather cases declined after the many of the large protests happened in their locals, and plenty of European Countries had huge "Non-Democratic party" protests in theirs.

Lockdowns worked effectively in all. They were not under the non-guidance of your e inept moron you apparently have sold your soul for.

Memorial Day, drinking in bars, partying, celebrating indoors mask-less and various other sorts of celebrations, EXAGGERATED the existing case loads in primarily states with Trump obeying governors opening up too soon leading up to Memorial day.

The area contained beneath the curves of the graph I posted, comparing the U.S with the European Union, represent relative deaths, hospitalizations and yes, deaths of both.

You and other Trumpites seem to be ignoring evidence that at the least is shall we say, is not flattering to him

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

Have already told you, NYC, Wash D.C, New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts did not have any spikes,

NYC was once the epicenter of the outbreak...of course you're not going to get spikes there...everybody was already infected...

I'm sure many of the other areas you mentioned were in the same boat, OR didn't see any major widespread huge protests/riots/looting....

[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

NYC was once the epicenter of the outbreak...of course you're not going to get spikes there...everybody was already infected...

I'm sure many of the other areas you mentioned were in the same boat, OR didn't see any major widespread huge protests/riots/looting....

You are joking right? All the places I mentioned did see huge protests. All.

NYC, Wash DC , Boston, New Jersey, Connecticut, Great Britain, France, Germany, Belgium, Denmark, and Finland

And everyone was not infected..

[Tom]

Still, we are WAY under the 1-2.3 million who were supposed to die in the US.

WAAAAAAAY under.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

You are joking right? All the places I mentioned did see huge protests. All.

NYC, Wash DC , Boston, New Jersey, Connecticut, Great Britain, France, Germany, Belgium, Denmark, and Finland

And everyone was not infected..

Did I say NYC didn't see huge protests?

You need to pay attention more.

All the big cities with big protests that you claim haven't seen a spike were already at herd immunity...studies have been showing that 20% infection rate in the population is enough to start showing positive effects of herd immunity.

Sorry if that is an inconvenient fact for you...

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Tom

Still, we are WAY under the 1-2.3 million who were supposed to die in the US.

WAAAAAAAY under.

Yeah...the dimwits conveniently forget the initial predictions based on "scientific" models.

[davew]

Originally Posted by Tom

Still, we are WAY under the 1-2.3 million who were supposed to die in the US.

WAAAAAAAY under.

we will get there in the next 20 years - the vaccines will only be good for 2 months, how many will want to get shots all the time?

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by davew

we will get there in the next 20 years - the vaccines will only be good for 2 months, how many will want to get shots all the time?

We don't know which of many of the trials will produce THE vaccine so efficacy has not been answered as of yet.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Did I say NYC didn't see huge protests?

You need to pay attention more.

All the big cities with big protests that you claim haven't seen a spike were already at herd immunity...studies have been showing that 20% infection rate in the population is enough to start showing positive effects of herd immunity.

Sorry if that is an inconvenient fact for you...

Which ones? Not the studies I have seen. And there is a major flaw which defeats your contention...

From the Mayo Clinic, June 30, 2020

Herd immunity and COVID-19: What you need to know
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/d...-need-to-know/

However, there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19. First, it isn't yet clear if infection with the COVID-19 virus makes a person immune to future infection.

Research suggests that after infection with some coronaviruses, reinfection with the same virus — though usually mild and only happening in a fraction of people — is possible after a period of months or years. Further research is needed to determine the protective effect of antibodies to the virus in those who have been infected

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[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Did I say NYC didn't see huge protests?

You need to pay attention more.

All the big cities with big protests that you claim haven't seen a spike were already at herd immunity...studies have been showing that 20% infection rate in the population is enough to start showing positive effects of herd immunity.

Sorry if that is an inconvenient fact for you...

Johns Hopkins....

What is Herd Immunity and How Can We Achieve It With COVID-19?
https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...h-covid19.html

What is herd immunity?

When most of a population is immune to an infectious disease, this provides indirect protection—or herd immunity (also called herd protection)—to those who are not immune to the disease.

For example, if 80% of a population is immune to a virus, four out of every five people who encounter someone with the disease won’t get sick (and won’t spread the disease any further). In this way, the spread of infectious diseases is kept under control. Depending how contagious an infection is, usually 70% to 90% of a population needs immunity to achieve herd immunity.

Perhaps some hard hit neighborhoods in NYC achieved herd immunity, but not anywhere what is needed to protect the entire city, egven if antibodies work.
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68% Have Antibodies in This Clinic. Can a Neighborhood Beat a Next Wave?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/n...ntibodies.html

As of June 26, CityMD had administered about 314,000 antibody tests in New York City. Citywide, 26 percent of the tests came back positive.

“Some communities might have herd immunity,” said Dr. Daniel Frogel, a senior vice president for operations at CityMD, which plays a key role in the city’s testing program.

...While stopping short of predicting that those neighborhoods would be protected against a major new outbreak of the virus — a phenomenon known as herd immunity — several epidemiologists said that the different levels of antibody prevalence across the city are likely to play a role in what happens next, assuming that antibodies do in fact offer significant protection against future infection.

...Some epidemiologists and virologists cautioned that not enough data exists to conclude that any areas have herd immunity. For starters, the fact that 68.4 percent of tests taken at an urgent care center in Corona came back positive does not mean that 68.4 percent of residents had been infected.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Tom

Still, we are WAY under the 1-2.3 million who were supposed to die in the US.

WAAAAAAAY under.

Told you this before chimp. That was an early projection without any mitigation measures in place!

The following summary of the Ferguson/​Imperial College report provides clues about how the model came to generate such dramatic conclusions:

In the (unlikely) absence of any control measures or spontaneous changes in individual behavior, we would expect a peak in mortality (daily deaths) to occur after approximately 3 months. In such scenarios, given an estimated R0 of 2.4, we predict 81% of the G.B. and U.S. populations would be infected over the course of the epidemic… In total, in an unmitigated epidemic, we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in G.B. and 2.2 million in the U.S., not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on mortality.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Did I say NYC didn't see huge protests?

You need to pay attention more.

All the big cities with big protests that you claim haven't seen a spike were already at herd immunity...studies have been showing that 20% infection rate in the population is enough to start showing positive effects of herd immunity.

Sorry if that is an inconvenient fact for you...

I believe I found the theory and study you were referring to. New and not widely supported depends on mathematical concepts like chaos theory and the "butterfly effect".

Sure hopes it has merit, changes everything. Very interesting but by no means conclusive. And as I stated, much depends on the effect of human antibodies to this novel virus.

A New Understanding of Herd Immunity
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...avirus/614035/

https://megaphone.link/ATL9389945777

[hcap]

However, another mainstream recent summary not so optimistic from the WSJ.

https://www.wsj.com/video/what-it-wo...C32D32D0D.html