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Old 11-27-2021, 04:25 PM   #136
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Oswald was supposed to be transferred at 10 AM but it was delayed 1 hour. I don't believe the time was publicized or anything for security reasons. So Ruby was home and presumably didn't know anything about times or delays. He goes to the Western Union and sends the money. Time stamped at 11:17AM. He shoots Oswald at 11:21AM.
If Oswald didn't ask for a sweater to wear Ruby would have missed him completely. If he had been delayed in line at the Western Union office he misses him completely. He brought his dog in the car?? WTF. This just doesn't sound like a contract killer sent to kill someone on a very important urgent matter. Gee, let me run some errands before I do this. There is like zero plan. Don't you think a hitman would have been on stakeout there, watching, waiting , so as not to miss his chance? If they don't get him then how would they know if they would ever get another chance at him.

I really don't know who killed Kennedy or why or what the hell Ruby was doing and why but it is fascinating. The whole thing has been the most interesting and perplexing thing with all the theories out there. I have heard so much and read so much I don't know what the hell to believe anymore.
Ruby showed up and under 1 minute later Oswald shows up. Ruby was just lucky, eh? Or, maybe, hey, Jack's here, send him down!
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I'll ask the audience here again...why do you think Oswald chose to use the word "PATSY"??
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Old 11-28-2021, 06:44 AM   #138
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I'll ask the audience here again...why do you think Oswald chose to use the word "PATSY"??

He was a CIA (or FBI) sort of operative.

He knew of the plot to eliminate JFK.

He knew what the word "PATSY" meant. Let's face it, it was not a word commonly used at the time.

He correctly knew he was being set up to take the fall, to be the "PATSY'.
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I'll ask the audience here again...why do you think Oswald chose to use the word "PATSY"??
Oswald was an operative for the ONI, FBI and CIA. "Patsy" was not a word that would come to most people's mind. It isn't a tact that would be pursued by a crazed lone nut gunman.

Just look at his demeanor change when he was told he had been charged with killing the President. You can see it in his face that he knew he had been set up.
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Old 11-28-2021, 02:07 PM   #140
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I'll ask the audience here again...why do you think Oswald chose to use the word "PATSY"??
Occam's razor. Patsy was used a lot at the time, in movies and TV. The cops needed to make an arrest and he fell into their laps.

Not saying he didn't mean like you think - could well be. I think he was on a pre-planned route to get smuggled to safety, Cuba, and maybe he got left out to dry....
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Oswald was an operative for the ONI, FBI and CIA. "Patsy" was not a word that would come to most people's mind. It isn't a tact that would be pursued by a crazed lone nut gunman.

Just look at his demeanor change when he was told he had been charged with killing the President. You can see it in his face that he knew he had been set up.
You have paycheck stubs and shit for this, right?

Operative Of The Month awards and such.

CIA Company coffee cup in his cupboard?

Bumper sticker that reads 'Honk if you love to be a Patsy'

Things of the sort
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Occam's razor. Patsy was used a lot at the time, in movies and TV. .
True. Only people our age group would recall that. At the time there were more popular words than Patsy but it was used. Many times in humor
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In '62, we were still watching James Cagney movies other stuff from the 40's.
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True. Only people our age group would recall that. At the time there were more popular words than Patsy but it was used. Many times in humor
So? It means a specific thing. Doesn't matter if it was used more often.

The meaning behind it is specific and to the point.

Why do you think he chose that word?

So on the one hand, he's the LONE GUNMAN...a loser, as you correctly point out. A failure at life...someone with not much in his life...no friends...a mail order bride who wasn't working out well and whom he abused if I recall correctly.

The one thing he "accomplishes" in his life, and he's going to back off from that?

If he indeed set out to kill Kennedy that morning, and it's obvious he accomplished his goal, why would he go about denying it? And better yet, not only denying it, but saying he was a patsy? He was set up?

It really doesn't jibe. Even you can admit this.
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You have paycheck stubs and shit for this, right?

Operative Of The Month awards and such.

CIA Company coffee cup in his cupboard?

Bumper sticker that reads 'Honk if you love to be a Patsy'

Things of the sort
John Martino was a CIA operative paymaster who did say he paid Lee Oswald.

Oswald's tax returns are still withheld by the government.
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US Government officials have a long and storied history of lying to us:

Roswell?

Roswell Daily Record July 8, 1947:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswel...July8,1947.jpg

Wikipedia - Roswell Incident:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident

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On July 8, 1947, Roswell Army Air Field issued a press release stating that they had recovered a "flying disc". The Army quickly retracted the statement and said instead that the crashed object was a conventional weather balloon.[1]
After Roswell the US Government spent the next seven decades denying the existence of UFOs.

Until April 2020 when The Pentagon declassified three UFO videos taken by US Navy pilots:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/pent...vy-pilots.html


Gulf of Tonkin an excuse for war in Vietnam?

US Naval Institute | By Lieutenant Commander Pat Paterson, U.S. Navy | Feb 2008
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Back on board the Ticonderoga, Commander Stockdale had been ordered to prepare to launch an air strike against the North Vietnamese targets for their "attacks" of the previous evening. Unlike Captain Herrick, Stockdale had no doubt about what had happened: "We were about to launch a war under false pretenses, in the face of the on-scene military commander's advice to the contrary."19 Despite his reservations, Stockdale led a strike of 18 aircraft against an oil storage facility at Vinh, located just inland of where the alleged attacks on the Maddox and Turner Joy had occurred. Although the raid was successful (the oil depot was completely destroyed and 33 of 35 vessels were hit), two American aircraft were shot down; one pilot was killed and the second captured.20

On 7 August, Congress, with near unanimity, approved the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which President Johnson signed into law three days later. Requested by Johnson, the resolution authorized the chief executive to "take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression." No approval or oversight of military force was required by Congress, essentially eliminating the system of checks and balances so fundamental to the U.S. Constitution. On hearing of the authorization's passage by both houses of Congress, the delighted President remarked that the resolution "was like Grandma's nightshirt. It covers everything."21

WMDs?

David Usborne | Friday 30 May 2003
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The Bush administration focused on alleged weapons of mass destruction as the primary justification for toppling Saddam Hussein by force because it was politically convenient, a top-level official at the Pentagon has acknowledged.

The extraordinary admission comes in an interview with Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Defence Secretary, in the July issue of the magazine Vanity Fair.
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The comments suggest that, even for the US administration, the logic that was presented for going to war may have been an empty shell. They come to light, moreover, just two days after Mr Wolfowitz's immediate boss, Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, conceded for the first time that the arms might never be found.

The failure to find a single example of the weapons that London and Washington said were inside Iraq only makes the embarrassment more acute. Voices are increasingly being raised in the US * and Britain * demanding an explanation for why nothing has been found.

The Steele Dosier?

By Paul Farhi | November 12, 2021 at 12:28 p.m. EST
The Washington Post corrects, removes parts of two stories regarding the Steele dossier:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...69b_story.html

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The Post’s reassessment follows the indictment on Nov. 4 of Igor Danchenko, a Russian American analyst and researcher who helped Steele compile the dossier. Danchenko was arrested as part of an investigation conducted by attorney John Durham, the special counsel appointed by Trump’s attorney general William P. Barr to probe the origins and handling of the FBI’s inquiry into Trump’s alleged Russian connections.

Danchenko was indicted on charges that he repeatedly lied to the FBI about where and how he got information that he allegedly gave to Steele for the dossier. He pleaded not guilty in federal court this week.
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The Steele dossier was a basis for the FBI’s legal arguments for surveillance of Carter Page, a former Trump campaign adviser, during the 2016 campaign. A Justice Department inspector general later criticized the agency for failing to note doubts about the veracity of the information in its application for court approval of the surveillance.

mRNA vaccines 'safe and effective?'

Data from Pfizer's own clinical trials reveal 24% higher overall deaths for vaccinnated cohorts than placebo cohorts:
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/317091




No doubt I left out more than a few.

My point?

US Government officials have a long and storied history of lying to us.

Can any of us really know if the CIA/FBI, etc. hid or told the truth to the members of the Warren Commission?

When in doubt consider the source.





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John Martino was a CIA operative paymaster who did say he paid Lee Oswald.

Oswald's tax returns are still withheld by the government.
Was that his official title? Cool. Post a photo with his name on his CIA cubicle wall. Do that and I'll keep it for my screen saver

ETA.. Martino's wife under testimony gave a different story to the House Select Committee on Assassinations? Then changed her story... LOLOL

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Jo...nfessions.html

Looks like Martino at retirement age decided to hit the interview circuit and pocket some cash. Yeah, credible dude

snippage> The wife of John Martino, after denying to the HSCA that her husband had foreknowledge of JFK's assassination, told author Anthony Summers about her husband's statement the morning of the murder and the series of phone calls he received that afternoon.
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US Government officials have a long and storied history of lying to us.

Can any of us really know if the CIA/FBI, etc. hid or told the truth to the members of the Warren Commission?

When in doubt consider the source.





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100% agree, the gov't lies to us. Covid is just the latest example of deceit and lies and misdirection/ misinformation by govt leaders

In this case, you have a guy that

Bought the weapon...That was found on the 6th floor where eyewitnesses saw a rifle barrel draw back after the 3rd shot.....That had shell casings on the floor that matched the weapon and bullets found in JFK....The guy then hustled out of the building where....He was identified by several eyewitnesses as the guy that shot Tippit and was running away from the scene....And going in and out of a few doors on Jefferson Ave before ducking into the Texas Theater,,..a shoe salesman (No doubt a CIA operative LMAO) follows Oswald to the theater and shows cops where Oswald was .... Then he was approached by cops, whereupon...He pulled a gun on the cops shouting "Well It's all over now"

End of conspiracy
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100% agree, the gov't lies to us. Covid is just the latest example of deceit and lies and misdirection/ misinformation by govt leaders

In this case, you have a guy that

Bought the weapon...That was found on the 6th floor where eyewitnesses saw a rifle barrel draw back after the 3rd shot.....That had shell casings on the floor that matched the weapon and bullets found in JFK....The guy then hustled out of the building where....He was identified by several eyewitnesses as the guy that shot Tippit and was running away from the scene....And going in and out of a few doors on Jefferson Ave before ducking into the Texas Theater,,..a shoe salesman (No doubt a CIA operative LMAO) follows Oswald to the theater and shows cops where Oswald was .... Then he was approached by cops, whereupon...He pulled a gun on the cops shouting "Well It's all over now"

End of conspiracy
So, he no longer went down the stairs?
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