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Old 04-14-2018, 08:52 AM   #31
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The majority of Americans are sheep and know next to nothing about realpolitik.

Those tweets do nothing but increase the likelihood of a stronger Russian response somewhere along the periphery. They were completely unneeded and proved the President truly doesn't understand the game.

It's becoming increasingly clear Mattis, who does, was the driving force behind this respomse.

another opinionated response.
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Old 04-14-2018, 08:58 AM   #32
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Why not? The War Powers act is toothless, and a president has the power to protect the national interests written into the Constitution.
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Old 04-14-2018, 09:05 AM   #33
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This is all image... anyone who doesn't get that doesn't understand geo-politics.

Syria is nothing more than a proxy war. Nothing more, nothing less. It's also a proxy war that we are losing. We know we are losing it. We don't care. Losing is fine since Syria holds nearly zero strategic significance to us.

Syria does hold significance to Iran and Russia though which is why we are happy to coordinate with rebels and maintain a presence there. It hampers and undermines the efforts of our rivals forcing them to invest significantly more resources than they would like to.

As far as the lead up to the strike though Trump behaved highly irrationally. The tweets were completely unnecessary as the United States had already set the precedent that use of chemical weapons would trigger an armed American response. All the tweets did was put Russia on blast that it can't defend its interests or allies. Any strike conducted would have demonstrated that without damaging their image as much as a twitter bash. It was a stupid move because now it will require them to respond in some larger way to maintain its own prestige and credibility.

Finally to the strike. This was essentially a NATO effort to send a message to Russia and it's proxies. Militarily nothing of any real significance was destroyed or likely even degraded. It was merely a show of force that the United States and it's NATO allies can strike at will into the heart of a state of the art Russian Air Defense system and there really isn't a damn thing they can do about it. To that effect it served it's purpose.

We got to swing our big stick.

Good write up on the issue here... https://www.commentarymagazine.com/f...-stakes-syria/

we as in the USA are winning.

President Trumps behavior is that of a high intelligent leader that knows what it takes to get positive results.

Yes President Trumps tweets are necessary to get the unbiased news to the American public.

Is it possible the air strikes on a dictator that gassed his own peeps also be a message to little rocket boy.

do you copy and paste a large majority of your posts?
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Old 04-14-2018, 09:11 AM   #34
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another opinionated response.
Great comeback.

My opinions seems to have a habit of becoming reality lately...

Trumps opinions on the other hand...

My god man look at his record with Russia so far this year. Just two months ago Russia was cool and sanctions not needed according to this Administration.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ongress-376813

The guy is a consistent model of inconsistency.
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Old 04-14-2018, 09:16 AM   #35
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we as in the USA are winning.

President Trumps behavior is that of a high intelligent leader that knows what it takes to get positive results.

Yes President Trumps tweets are necessary to get the unbiased news to the American public.

Is it possible the air strikes on a dictator that gassed his own peeps also be a message to little rocket boy.

do you copy and paste a large majority of your posts?
In Syria? No. We've already lost and that's fine... We didn't really care to win.

Nothing in Trump's behavior is consistent. It's actually very erratic. Hence all the 4D chess jokes.

The airstrikes were a continuation of US policy, correctly set by Trump, that chemical weapons will not be used.

I didnt copy and paste anything. I read books.
International Security Issues was my concentration many many moons ago.

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Old 04-14-2018, 09:21 AM   #36
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In Syria? No. We've already lost and that's fine... We didn't really care to win.

Nothing in Trump's behavior is consistent. It's actually very erratic.

The airstrikes were a continuation of US policy, correctly set by Trump, that chemical weapons will not be used.

I didnt copy and paste anything. I read books.
International Security Issues was my concentration many many moons ago.

We won again in Syria.

everything in President Trumps behavior is consistent and never erratic.


with all that book knowledge you should know how we just won in syria also would assume you are for more secure southern borders in America.
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Old 04-14-2018, 09:27 AM   #37
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Not the first time a president has used military action in the face of deepening political/personal crises at home.
Trump has been under deepening political / personal crises at home since he got elected. The left has seen to that.
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Old 04-14-2018, 09:29 AM   #38
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We won again in Syria.

everything in President Trumps behavior is consistent and never erratic.


with all that book knowledge you should know how we just won in syria also would assume you are for more secure southern borders in America.
Posts like these show you truly don't get it. Go to Google and type in Trump and Russia... start reading articles. It's all over the map.

We didn't WIN anything last night. We sent a message and showed continued commitment to a proxy war that just a week Trump said we were withdrawing from.

Do you even understand what a proxy war is?
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Old 04-14-2018, 09:45 AM   #39
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Trump has been under deepening political / personal crises at home since he got elected. The left has seen to that.
The only potential political crises here was created by Trump with his escalation earlier in the week.

The rest of it though is perfectly normal. It's fun to point out the timing and wag the dog feel of this but I'm no fan of the guy and 100% support the strike. Precedent for this action was set prior. He didn't really have a choice and had to act.

Operation Divert Stormy is still funny though.
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everything in President Trumps behavior is consistent and never erratic.
Consistently erratic, I'm sure you meant
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Assad cannot be removed from power. All the we have to do is keep him in check. The last two times a secular dictator was removed, in Egypt and Iraq, the Christian population was persecuted. Assad has always supported and protected Christians in Syria, removing him will cause a civil war based on religion, which will not end well for Christians.
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Posts like these show you truly don't get it. Go to Google and type in Trump and Russia... start reading articles. It's all over the map.

We didn't WIN anything last night. We sent a message and showed continued commitment to a proxy war that just a week Trump said we were withdrawing from.

Do you even understand what a proxy war is?

start reading articles. It's all over the map.
opinionated from the left articles.

We didn't WIN anything last night. We sent a message and showed continued commitment to a proxy war that just a week Trump said we were withdrawing from.


we did win lastnight. Sent a loud, very clear message to little rocket boy, putin and any other world leaders we do not back down like the last administration.
maybe we would have withdrawn if the all mighty dictator wouldnt have gassed his own peeps. would wager lots of current civilians in syria are rejoicing the fact we bombed and took action against the dictator.
President Trump said we do not want to stay in syria any longer then we need to.
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Is bombing Syria considered russian collusion?
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Old 04-14-2018, 11:20 AM   #44
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Is bombing Syria considered russian collusion?
No but I'm sure they'll say. Trump Banged Russia's Bitch...
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Old 04-14-2018, 12:06 PM   #45
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War is likely

Not because of events in Syria.

The United States seems to welcome war and conflict.
We're a violent nation.

There is more spent on the military here than the next
five major powers combined. Which is one thing.

The issue arises when all that spending goes on nothing.
Sitting around like the Maytag Man when billions in
taxpayers' money has been thrown at you, eventually
doesn't sit well with the hawks. They get twitchy for combat.

How many of you woke up feeling a little better today?

Trump can't be trusted to keep us at peace.
Republicans are not solely to blame, though.
There hasn't been a US president since WW2,
apart from Jimmy Carter, who kept us out of war.
Democrats are equally to blame.
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