Boldly they come......

[JustRalph]

They already backed down.

Trump wins again. Carrying the big stick!

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by MONEY

The U.S. military is not allowed to shoot, stun, stop, detain, arrest or enforce any laws at our borders. What they can do is work the drones and cameras and free up the Border Patrol's desk jockeys to work the field.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-mi...ry?id=54208209

"But while President Trump could order active duty military personnel or federalized National Guard troops to assist with border security operations, they would not be allowed to carry out law enforcement duties like detaining migrants crossing the border illegally.

That's because the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the U.S. military from conducting law enforcement duties in the United States. The only way that can be allowed is by a special congressional authorization."

No, I think not. When it comes to migration of people intending to cross our borders Trump could declare a national emergency and there's also a a law on the books gives the president broad powers when it comes to national security issues. (The name of the law escapes me at the moment.)

[vegasone]

KEY EXCEPTIONS TO THE POSSE COMITATUS ACT
A summary of key exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act follows:

•
National Guard forces operating under the state authority of Title
32 (i.e., under state rather than federal service) are exempt from
Posse Comitatus Act restrictions.
•
Pursuant to the presidential power to quell domestic violence,
federal troops are expressly exempt from the prohibitions of
Posse Comitatus Act, and this exemption applies equally to
active-duty military and federalized National Guard troops.
4


10 U.S. Code Sections 331 through 334 provide guidance. Section 332 states: “Whenever the President considers the unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the United States, makes it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any state or territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into federal service such of the militia of any state, and use such of the
armed forces to suppress the rebellion” (Lujan, 1997)

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...R1251.AppD.pdf

[upthecreek]

Twitter

[boxcar]

Good Morning, Mr. Halv

You claimed yesterday that our border control laws are stringent or strong. I don't know how you reached that conclusion, given the history behind our immigration laws, but you might want to read what's behind this link:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...mediately.html

Trump signs proclamation sending National Guard to Mexico border immediately

Here are some excerpts:

Our Border Laws are very weak while those of Mexico & Canada are very strong. Congress must change these Obama era, and other, laws NOW! The Democrats stand in our way - they want people to pour into our country unchecked....CRIME! We will be taking strong action today.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 4, 2018

Nielsen pointed to what she described as increasing fraud and exploited loopholes among arrivals on the southern border, saying traffickers have been advertising that if migrants have children with them, then they are more likely to be released into the U.S. She also said that almost 50 percent of arriving aliens are from Central America.

"Traffickers and smugglers know that these individuals cannot under U.S. law be easily removed in an expeditious way back to their country of origin and so they exploit the loophole," she said, adding that the ability to game the system acts as a magnet for more migrants.

She said that the administration has drafted legislation and will ask Congress to provide legal authority and resources to address the problem.

"We will not allow illegal immigration levels to become the norm," she said. "More than 1,000 people a day, 300,000 a year violating our sovereignty as a nation will never be acceptable to this president."

It appears our immigration laws have more loopholes in them than my kitchen colander has holes.

[Dave Schwartz]

Boxcar,

The problem is not that our border laws are weak.

The problem is that our border laws are not being enforced.


Dave

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

Boxcar,

The problem is not that our border laws are weak.

The problem is that our border laws are not being enforced.


Dave

Both are problems. Over the years the laws have also been intentionally weakened with various loopholes in the law! (Did you read the article?) And those south of the border know how to exploit those loopholes. So...between scofflaw administrations, refusing to enforce federal law and weak immigration laws, our country has been flooded with illegals

[upthecreek]

Twitter

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by MONEY

The U.S. military is not allowed to shoot, stun, stop, detain, arrest or enforce any laws at our borders. What they can do is work the drones and cameras and free up the Border Patrol's desk jockeys to work the field.

Facts don't play well here when the crowd wants blood.

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said the National Guard would not carry weapons or carry out immigration or customs control functions, and that the border will not be militarized.

My understanding is that use of the Guard here is based on a federal request to the state, and the governor of that state agreeing to do so. Anyone think Jerry Brown is going to be sending the California Guard south to the border?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...a-deployments/

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Well they did build the great wall of China to stop invaders.

but of course now we have air travel.

Allan

Also didn't work.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Also didn't work.

What, China was invaded and we missed it?

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Facts don't play well here when the crowd wants blood.

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said the National Guard would not carry weapons or carry out immigration or customs control functions, and that the border will not be militarized.

My understanding is that use of the Guard here is based on a federal request to the state, and the governor of that state agreeing to do so. Anyone think Jerry Brown is going to be sending the California Guard south to the border?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...a-deployments/

Federal law over rides State. Brown can refuse all he wants.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Federal law over rides State. Brown can refuse all he wants.

Federal law strictly limits the president's use of the Guard. Please provide a legal cite that says he can use the Guard to militarize the border to enforce immigration laws.

P.S. If Jerry Brown wants to refuse any order from Trump, a major legal battle would ensue.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Federal law strictly limits the president's use of the Guard. Please provide a legal cite that says he can use the Guard to militarize the border to enforce immigration laws.

P.S. If Jerry Brown wants to refuse any order from Trump, a major legal battle would ensue.

You do know that both Dumb and Dumber (Bush and Obama, respectively) sent the Guard down to zee border, right?

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by boxcar

You do know that both Dumb and Dumber (Bush and Obama, respectively) sent the Guard down to zee border, right?

Seems to me that I read that some where.

Oh, yeah, it was in the source I linked about 5 posts earlier in this thread. In both cases, troops were sent in a "support capacity" and were not used as law enforcement personnel.

I guess that means they have to leave the stun guns at home.