Terror Attacks in Paris

[ebcorde]

about Geraldo's Rivera daughter. Reminder why i hate Fox.

The French know what they're doing. As long as they ignore our advice.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by cbp

Precisely the same situation for all the Middle Easterners in Middle Eastern neighborhoods throughout the NYC area.

Sorry, but they made their bed so they should sleep in it.

We have watched on for decades as the Muslim religion aided and abetted and fostered and indoctrinated generations of terrorists and "martyrs." After 911, the "good" Muslims haven't fought back against their own to stop this and protect the "good" of their religion.

So this is the bed they made. They need to stay over there and clean up their own house. We can't trust them here.

[Marshall Bennett]

Originally Posted by Rookies

Bush made the decision to get in to a remove a single tyrant, he believed responsible for dispensing evil. He also believed that a small consortium of Muslim countries was in cahoots to foster and promote terrorism. To whit... the infamous...

"States like [Iraq, Iran, and North Korea] and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil. . . . By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. . . . I will not wait on events while dangers gather.

—President George W. Bush, State of the Union, January 29, 2002"

He was dead wrong on both counts.

No he wasn't. There are other flaws in your response, but your opening here is the worse. Saddam Hussein was an evil tyrant. He was a killer. He was the Joseph Stalin of the middle east. There's not even an estimated account of the thousands he had murdered, and that's outside the wars..
Whether it was a small consortium of Muslim countries or just one promoting terrorism, what difference does it make? It was real and flourished into what we see today.
Weapons of mass destruction were eventually uncovered. Most were recently. They were there all along, just hid very well. That's not that hard to understand, unless a die-hard liberal refuses to. True, there were mistakes made, show me war where there weren't any. His intentions and reasons for leaving troops there though was spot-on. That's been found, eventually, to be a fact. You can dance around the truth all you want, but at the end of the day, it is what it is.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by cbp

Not about probabilities, IMO. There's enough technology out there when you pretty much know who is who/what. And x% of any group are borderline insane.

X% of any group is crazy, but X is a variable.

That means that depending on which group you are looking at, X can be 1%, 2%, 5% or 10% etc...

We already know that when we are talking about Muslims, X is GREATER than the average person in the US now (or anywhere else for that matter). We further intuitively know that X is probably way greater than the general stat for Muslims when we are talking about Syrian refugees who are involved in a heated situation. So X is a big scary number number when you are talking about hundreds of thousands refugees and no moral responsibility to take on the incremental risk.

Therefore, it is easy to conclude that our president is a brain dead moron not fit to be running a dog pound, let alone being leader of the free world. I've known this for years. I'm just hoping the idealistically delusional eventually figure out the math and the fact that we have no moral obligation to kill ourselves by allowing more of them to come here.

Immigration is a gesture of generosity we have always allowed because we are a great and generous people. It is not a moral obligation. It is definitely not a moral obligation to commit suicide.

[Clocker]

Three terrorists tried to enter the big soccer game with suicide vests. None were successful.

At least one of the attackers outside France’s national soccer stadium had a ticket to the game and attempted to enter the 80,000-person venue, according to a Stade de France security guard who was on duty and French police. The guard—who asked to be identified only by his first name, Zouheir—said the attacker was discovered wearing an explosives vest when he was frisked at the entrance to the stadium about 15 minutes into the game. France was playing an exhibition against Germany inside.

While attempting to back away from security, Zouheir said, the attacker detonated the vest. Zouheir, who was stationed by the players’ tunnel, said he was briefed on the sequence by the security frisking team at the gate.

A police officer confirmed the sequence, adding that police suspect the attacker aimed to detonate his vest inside the stadium in order to provoke a deadly stampede.

Around three minutes later, a second person also blew himself up outside the stadium. A third suicide attacker detonated explosives at a nearby McDonald’s, police said. One civilian died in the attacks, police said.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/attacker...way-1447520571

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

The reason things are the way they are is that there's a subset of humans that are willing to impose their will on others, be it political, economic, religious, or secular. Some of them are just more blatant and aggressive about it than others. So it's incumbent on everyone that values freedom to fight them.

Hank would never know anything about that kind of reality.

[Clocker]

One of the terrorists has been identified as a Syrian who entered Europe through Greece as part of the big push of refugees last month. I suspect we will be hearing more about some of those "refugees" in the future.

https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/statu...55110467084289

[Tall One]

Next stop, Germany.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by Clocker

One of the terrorists has been identified as a Syrian who entered Europe through Greece as part of the big push of refugees last month. I suspect we will be hearing more about some of those "refugees" in the future.

https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/statu...55110467084289

Yet, Obama in his infinite wisdom, or make that stupidity (naiveté if you want to be charitable), will never back down from his plans to bring thousands of Syrian refugees to the United States. I opposed this plan a month ago for this very reason, and I oppose it more now.

For those who support this plan, please answer the following questions: 1) How do you properly vet thousands of Syrian refugees for extremist views? Trust their answers to questionnaires? 2) What's more important - Obama's multicultural narrative or the safety and security of US citizens?

[ebcorde]

Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett

No he wasn't. There are other flaws in your response, but your opening here is the worse. Saddam Hussein was an evil tyrant. He was a killer. He was the Joseph Stalin of the middle east. There's not even an estimated account of the thousands he had murdered, and that's outside the wars..
Whether it was a small consortium of Muslim countries or just one promoting terrorism, what difference does it make? It was real and flourished into what we see today.
Weapons of mass destruction were eventually uncovered. Most were recently. They were there all along, just hid very well. That's not that hard to understand, unless a die-hard liberal refuses to. True, there were mistakes made, show me war where there weren't any. His intentions and reasons for leaving troops there though was spot-on. That's been found, eventually, to be a fact. You can dance around the truth all you want, but at the end of the day, it is what it is.

and you got your information from Ben Carson?

yes, mistakes are made in war. In business you make mistakes, you're out of business, build a device no one buys. Or you crash the economy. In war we call them the losers Your lose lose lose strategies, generals lying to Presidents. I would never go to war on their advice

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

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Well said, Mr. Fantastic

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

X% of any group is crazy, but X is a variable.

That means that depending on which group you are looking at, X can be 1%, 2%, 5% or 10% etc...

We already know that when we are talking about Muslims, X is GREATER than the average person in the US now (or anywhere else for that matter). We further intuitively know that X is probably way greater than the general stat for Muslims when we are talking about Syrian refugees who are involved in a heated situation. So X is a big scary number number when you are talking about hundreds of thousands refugees and no moral responsibility to take on the incremental risk.
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Yes, I love those who argue, "well we didn't target white males of Irish descent after Oklahoma City." That's an Al Sharpton special. Did Irish-Americans celebrate after Oklahoma City? No. Were the Irish dancing in the streets of Dublin to celebrate Oklahoma City? No. Sadly, Muslims (today) are more inclined/sympathetic to carry out terrorist activities than other groups. I still believe the vast majority are law-abiding and peaceful, but one cannot ignore the large and growing radical element. Then we have those who will bring up the Crusades parallel. How is that relevant to 2015? Can I not condemn slavery because it existed here a couple of hundred of years ago?

[ebcorde]

He asked fight for money to fight in Libya tea baggers said no.
He asked for war authorization to fight in Syria Tea baggers said no.

Not one tea bagger has said we will give you war powers in the Sryria.

I'm Obama , why would i skirt around congress when al they want to do
is find an excuse to lynch the guy, have Benghazi hearing till 2050.


if they want Obama to go to war. then congress authorize a war resolution THIS WEEK. t. Put General "who's next" plan in place and have at it.

[Robert Goren]

Remember that the terrorist are a very small number. If we or France or whoever let in 20,000 refugees only about 20 of them will be terrorists. It goes without saying that 20 terrorists can cause a lot of damage. The insanity of taking in political refugees is beyond me. They should back home fighting the evil they are trying to escape. People have fight their own fights against evil. The evil follows them if try to run from it. The United States can give some limited help, but we can not fight their battles for them. As the Iraqi war proved, we only make things when we try intervene in civil wars. The Iraqi war was not first such folly nor will be the last. The civil war in Syria is perhaps the dumbest thing we ever got involved in. We tried playing the middle against both ends. We still have Assad in power and help create ISIS. Anybody with a brain could seen that coming. Unfortunately in this country, we have too many in power who think we changes things just by sending 100,000 troops or so. All that does make things worse.
ISIS has turned out to be greatest evil since Attila the Hun and the other Barbarian tribes invade Europe. It is now time to get rid of them. Unfortunately it is not simple as send a few hundred ground troops into Syria and Iraq. I wish it were. It means we will have partner with a lot people we do not like. People like Assad, Putin and the Supreme Leader of Iran. If we don't, things are going get real bloody not in Europe, but here as well. Now is the time to stop pointing fingers and acted. There is plenty of blame to go around. ISIS is not going to go away by just assigning a percentage blame to Bush, Obama, the congress, MSNBC or Fox News.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by ebcorde

He asked fight for money to fight in Libya tea baggers said no.
He asked for war authorization to fight in Syria Tea baggers said no.

Not one tea bagger has said we will give you war powers in the Sryria.

I'm Obama , why would i skirt around congress when al they want to do
is find an excuse to lynch the guy, have Benghazi hearing till 2050.


if they want Obama to go to war. then congress authorize a war resolution THIS WEEK. t. Put General "who's next" plan in place and have at it.

Your ignorance is breathtaking. What happened to that redline? I won't respond to you anymore on this matter, because you're as knowledgeable on foreign policy as Donald Trump. Let Mostie or one of the other left-wingers defend Obama. Trust me, they do a much better job than your posting ahistorical pablum.