Today Was The Biggest Day In Horse Racing!

[Poindexter]

Dennis Drazin had a press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3qbnTyiRoY

It is long but he did touch on some of what they will be doing. They clearly will have internet betting so it is not like you will have to go to Monmouth Park to bet a game. I assume in game betting will be available on line as well. He also mentioned that they will be putting together exotic bets mixing sports betting with horse racing. He did mention how popular in game wagering is, so I think the vision is that a bunch of sports bettors will come to Monmouth to bet sports hang out and watch games, make in game wagers and somewhere in between bet horses, fall in love with betting horses and save the racing industry. He mentioned that the money pretty much will be used for purses exclusivel to make Jersey more attractive to compete with other states for horses. He made no mention whatsoever of lowering takeout, so that certainly doesn't seem to be in their plans (shocking!). There was also mention of otb, so perhaps otb will be alive and well in Jersey for sports betting and horse betting.


With Jersey so close to Ny, have to imagine that in the interim (until NY comes up with something) this will be hugely popular with NY residents that cannot legally bet currently but can go to Monmouth to watch games and bet in game etc.


I have the feeling that there is a lot they haven't figured out at this point and whatever they decide to do will likely be trial and error and work in progress. They seem to have Jersey locked up, but agree with Tom that racing really brings nothing to the table. Be interesting to see what happens in other states.

[thaskalos]

The obvious fact that most horseplayers don't seem to realize is that a new venture could be very good for the horse racing industry at large...while at the same time being very bad for the racing fan. All the racing industry wants is a more profitable "bottom line", no matter how this is accomplished...while the racing fan wants competitive fields and large betting pools. If a new wave of gamblers storm the racetrack just to bet on sports, and 50% of the existing horseplayer base decides to follow them...then the horse racing industry will be ECSTATIC, even if a large portion of the wagering pool leaves the races in order to join the sportsbook side of the profit ledger. To the racetrack...it will just be a case of money moving from one pocket to the other in the same pair of pants. As far as the track is concerned, the overall profits will be higher, the purses will escalate as a result...and everybody will be as happy as they could be. Everybody, that is, except the remaining HORSEPLAYERS, who would then be left with even smaller fields and mutuel pools to deal with...turning this into a more vicious downward spiral than the one that the racino venture has put us through.

If I am being overly paranoid about this...then I apologize. My long tenure in the game has made me this way.

[Track Phantom]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

The obvious fact that most horseplayers don't seem to realize is that a new venture could be very good for the horse racing industry at large...while at the same time being very bad for the racing fan. All the racing industry wants is a more profitable "bottom line", no matter how this is accomplished...while the racing fan wants competitive fields and large betting pools. If a new wave of gamblers storm the racetrack just to bet on sports, and 50% of the existing horseplayer base decides to follow them...then the horse racing industry will be ECSTATIC, even if a large portion of the wagering pool leaves the races in order to join the sportsbook side of the profit ledger. To the racetrack...it will just be a case of money moving from one pocket to the other in the same pair of pants. As far as the track is concerned, the overall profits will be higher, the purses will escalate as a result...and everybody will be as happy as they could be. Everybody, that is, except the remaining HORSEPLAYERS, who would then be left with even smaller fields and mutuel pools to deal with...turning this into a more vicious downward spiral than the one that the racino venture has put us through.

If I am being overly paranoid about this...then I apologize. My long tenure in the game has made me this way.

Not sure I agree with you on this one.

The main reason I couldn't bring "non or casual" racing fans to the track was how boring it was in between races. For guys like you and I, we use that time to either bet on simulcast racing or prepare for bets on the next live race. But for those people that don't really handicap, 25 minutes between races is an absolute showstopper for future visits.

I believe the combination of sports betting, and horses intermixed, would improve the overall experience for the casual fans. Right now, when casual fans leave the track, I'm afraid they remember how only a little bit of action is involved in a 4-5 hour day at the track. That could change with this ruling.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Track Phantom

Not sure I agree with you on this one.

The main reason I couldn't bring "non or casual" racing fans to the track was how boring it was in between races. For guys like you and I, we use that time to either bet on simulcast racing or prepare for bets on the next live race. But for those people that don't really handicap, 25 minutes between races is an absolute showstopper for future visits.

I believe the combination of sports betting, and horses intermixed, would improve the overall experience for the casual fans. Right now, when casual fans leave the track, I'm afraid they remember how only a little bit of action is involved in a 4-5 hour day at the track. That could change with this ruling.

Those "casual fans" who you say 'don't really handicap'...what's stopping them from betting on the simulcasted races that you and I wager on? Why must they wait 25 minutes in between placing a bet? When I take a "casual fan" to the racetrack on a weekend day...there are so many races going on one after the other that I have trouble keeping my own bets straight.

I can't agree with you on this one Phantom. If you told me that YOU, as a "mature player", get bored because you have trouble finding worthwhile bets in today's short field-infested game...then I wouldn't argue with you. But the "casual fan" who, 'doesn't really handicap', doesn't worry about things like finding "worthwhile bets". He is there just to pick a few winners and have some fun...and there are more than enough races available in today's game for him to do that.

As I've said before...the "boring" aspect of today's game is just a convenient excuse when it's used to explain the disinterest that today's young gamblers have shown towards our game...IMO. Today's game offers more action than any casual fan could ever afford. If there were any more races offered to him on the same day...then we would be saying that he would never again return to the track because he would always go home BROKE.

[sour grapes]

Originally Posted by Nitro

I could really care less about how those who might enjoy sports-betting might impact the horse-racing pools. As far as I’m concerned it would be just more stupid money going to those who take the game more seriously than just a 50/50 proposition.

Maybe more states should also legalize pot and make it available at racetracks. Can you imagine standing on line with some stoned individuals trying to make a bet? Well at least these losers could have a good ole’ laugh after emptying their wallets.

Seriously though, I believe the astute horse-player really isn’t interested in dealing with more distractions like a bunch of groupies cheering for a team that covered by kicking a field goal. These games all have their places among those who wish to gamble. They certainly don’t need to be co-mingled to be appreciated by those who play them for more than just some entertainment value.

I don’t know about anybody else, but I find playing the horses to be a personal thing. I certainly don’t need to surround myself with a group of cheerleaders for any encouragement.

the jamicans at the nyra tracks have been smoking dope at the track for as long as i remember,no one bothers them and the smell is pretty good compared to stale cigerette smoke

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by sour grapes

the jamicans at the nyra tracks have been smoking dope at the track for as long as i remember,no one bothers them and the smell is pretty good compared to stale cigerette smoke

No shit, Sherlock! And as I said, “Well at least these losers could have a good ole’ laugh after emptying their wallets.” Any player with half a brain would want to keep their distance.
I’ve been playing NYRA a long time myself and as far as I know the track concession stands haven’t as yet been selling pot to the general public.

[jahura2]

Originally Posted by DerbyJackpot

Like I said states like Kentucky are the big winners, as Kentucky will input regulations to only allow sports wagering at tracks... You'd see this more supported in republican states.


You really think Kentucky is going to allow sports betting outside of tracks? You'd have to be out of your mind to think they'd do that.

Derby, I enjoy your enthusiasm its good for racing. However you will just have to count me among those who "are out of their mind" , as a lifelong resident of Ky I feel there is no way the state of Ky. will be able to restrict sports betting to racetracks. When the powers in Eastern Ky. and Western Ky. decide they dont want to drive to their nearest racetrack to place a sports bet that will be the end of that discussion . No, once the flood gates open you should expect to eventually see sports wagering capabilities online, Speedway gas stations and your local sports bar that shows NFL games. Everyone will want to get in on the act in my opinion. Count me as one that sees limited positives on this as it pertains to horse racing. Hope I,m wrong though.

[chiguy]

I wish it to be through track/OTB only but it doesn't make sense. Probably going to end up through the lottery terminals so you can go to your local 7-11 or AM/PM to get down. In the end I don't think this does much for horse racing.

[Tom]

Why should it do anything for the tracks?
Look at what all that big time purse money at NYRA did for winter racing.

[DerbyJackpot]

Originally Posted by Tom

Why should it do anything for the tracks?
Look at what all that big time purse money at NYRA did for winter racing.

You know what your right. We should keep doing things like were still in the 60s, like we've been doing the whole time. It seems to be working right lol? Like you are not grasping that culture changes in the US every decade.... This is what youth bettors want... You are only looking at this in your point of view only...

[BIG49010]

I could be wrong, but I see it being offered by states as part of the Lottery?

[DerbyJackpot]

Originally Posted by Tom

Why should it do anything for the tracks?
Look at what all that big time purse money at NYRA did for winter racing.

Horse players like yourself are alot to blame for the decline. You want to b*tch but I guarantee you you seat at home and wager on tvg and never go to the track and support it.

At least they are introducing something or at minimal going to try something to drive in new clientele.. What is wrong with that... Do you want them to just do nothing?

Yes I understand the tracks have ****ed over the players, but if those players went to the track instead you would not have increased takeouts. Its that simple. The way the market is setup now, you got JoeBlow paying JoeBlow2 in which JoeBlow3 pays JoeBlow4 and JoeBlow5 in return paying JoeBlow6,7,8,9,10.... With this logic and decline in revenue it had to be increased.


Just amazes me how you guys want to complain but don't want to try nothing new.

I mean I go to the track 1 or 2 times a week. I try to support my track. Do I use online betting? Yes on occasion.
But I understand its hard to travel to the track everyday and its easier to stay at home. But why not go there once a week or once a month.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by DerbyJackpot

Horse players like yourself are alot to blame for the decline. You want to b*tch but I guarantee you you seat at home and wager on tvg and never go to the track and support it.

At least they are introducing something or at minimal going to try something to drive in new clientele.. What is wrong with that... Do you want them to just do nothing?

Yes I understand the tracks have ****ed over the players, but if those players went to the track instead you would not have increased takeouts. Its that simple. The way the market is setup now, you got JoeBlow paying JoeBlow2 in which JoeBlow3 pays JoeBlow4 and JoeBlow5 in return paying JoeBlow6,7,8,9,10.... With this logic and decline in revenue it had to be increased.


Just amazes me how you guys want to complain but don't want to try nothing new.

I mean I go to the track 1 or 2 times a week. I try to support my track. Do I use online betting? Yes on occasion.
But I understand its hard to travel to the track everyday and its easier to stay at home. But why not go there once a week or once a month.

I wish you could realize how wrong you are.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by DerbyJackpot

You know what your right. We should keep doing things like were still in the 60s, like we've been doing the whole time. It seems to be working right lol? Like you are not grasping that culture changes in the US every decade.... This is what youth bettors want... You are only looking at this in your point of view only...

Laughable, they will not go near the horse racing

[DerbyJackpot]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Laughable, they will not go near the horse racing

You literaly just elaborated on my point.