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View Poll Results: Which product would you consider purchasing in the next 60 days if it were available?
Pace Handicapping: Which Paceline Should I Select? 14 9.93%
Basics of Winning: How to Make an Odds Line 7 4.96%
Speed Handicapping After the Numbers 3 2.13%
Handicapping Late Speed 4 2.84%
Fred Davis 2009: A Systematic Handicapping Approach 15 10.64%
A New Approach to Form Cycle Analysis 16 11.35%
Basics of Winning: Which Bet to Make? 9 6.38%
Pace Handicapping: New Modeling Techniques 19 13.48%
Monty Hall: Getting 2/3s the Winners in 1/3 the Horses 20 14.18%
Twenty Winning Spot Play Angles 18 12.77%
Basics of Winning: Finding the Vulnerable Favorite 12 8.51%
Basics of Winning: Favorites You Should Bet 4 2.84%
Voters: 141. This poll is closed

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Old 01-05-2009, 10:49 AM   #31
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Old 01-05-2009, 11:20 AM   #32
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#9 Monty-- sounds most interesting.

Raybo in his post#26 makes some good points.
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Old 01-05-2009, 11:31 AM   #33
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I assume you have considered what demographic group will purchase the majority of this kind of work; amateur players, average handicappers, advanced handicappers, etc..
Obviously, I am considering the typical PA player which is a pretty advanced group. The nature of my writing is to write as I speak - which is at least somewhat verbose. That means the more experienced players will, at times, have to read things which are redundant while the intermediate players will reach a level of understanding.


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If it were me, I'd start with the one that is the most basic, relating to that demographic group. Many of the titles you listed are much more advanced than the others, so, unless you're expecting the advanced crowd to purchase most of the books, I'd start with titles that are not so advanced.
This is, of course, very logical. However, since my target market with this first product is not the beginner, I am somehwat free to go for what is simply the topic most requested by the audience.


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That way, they are presented in a logical series and would be followed by the least knowledgeable group because they gain knowledge with each step in the progression.

If you start at the other end of the spectrum you will lose much of the least knowledgeable group, "right off the bat", because you started "over their head".
My goal here is not to build the encyclopedia of horse racing, and turn it into a 2,000 page product. Rather, it is to give intermediate-to-advanced players a tool they can use.



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Old 01-05-2009, 11:51 AM   #34
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I think you have the poll reversed. Which ones would you NOT buy since most of us would highly consider a bunch of these books.

I voted for form cycle analysis but these are also high on the my list:

-- new modeling
-- final fraction
-- vulnerable faves
-- spot plays
-- faves to bet on

least likely to buy

-- fred davis update
-- pacelines
-- oddsline
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:07 PM   #35
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We need a comprehensive book on toteboard action.
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Old 01-05-2009, 01:40 PM   #36
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Andy,

To say that you are "going against the grain" would be an understatement.

Thank you for your input.

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Old 01-05-2009, 02:39 PM   #37
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Obviously, I am considering the typical PA player which is a pretty advanced group. The nature of my writing is to write as I speak - which is at least somewhat verbose. That means the more experienced players will, at times, have to read things which are redundant while the intermediate players will reach a level of understanding.




This is, of course, very logical. However, since my target market with this first product is not the beginner, I am somehwat free to go for what is simply the topic most requested by the audience.




My goal here is not to build the encyclopedia of horse racing, and turn it into a 2,000 page product. Rather, it is to give intermediate-to-advanced players a tool they can use.



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Gotcha! I kinda figured you were gearing the series towards the crowd here which, IMO, contains as members some of the most knowledgeable handicappers and most technically advanced players anywhere.

I, too, am most interested in Form analysis, then comes pace line selection, then next would be odds line.
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:16 PM   #38
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4, 6, 11 are of interest to me.

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Old 01-06-2009, 12:30 AM   #39
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Dave,

Your might consider and edition written in Sanskrit for Olde Pharts like me!

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10. Twenty Winning Spot Play Angles
Some are unbelievably high hit rate and some are lower hit rates and high profits.
Will these come with a guarantee?
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Andy,

To say that you are "going against the grain" would be an understatement.

Thank you for your input.

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Spot plays are doing OK and the Form cycle book is getting lots of 2nd place votes that aren't showing up in the survey.

But then again being a contrarian helps in my handicapping.
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Will these come with a guarantee?
You mean, something like:

"Triple your money back if you do not earn $50,000 the first week?"
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You mean, something like:

"Triple your money back if you do not earn $50,000 the first week?"
..........Too Funny Birthday Boy...........

again, Best Wishes for the Day....
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Thanks. (I know it is a losing proposition, but I hope to make it up in volume.)

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You mean, something like:

"Triple your money back if you do not earn $50,000 the first week?"
You could do a Mike Warren style guarantee and offer us a discounted copy of the next 20 winning spot plays if not satisfied with the first 20
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