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Old 05-23-2018, 02:56 PM   #1
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Hey everyone!

This is my first post after sitting on a 2 week waiting list from the moderators.
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I've been handicapping since 2014, mainly an Exotic better with preference toward Pen & Paper methods - although I use digital data just as much without software (typically Excel until I find an angle I like, then do it by hand)

Here's my question:

I have never really found much consistency for handicapping from Meet related sheets, but I was wondering if you guys are looking at Jockeys/Trainers at a Meet - how do you Priority filter them?
(which factor over another)

ITM%? Win%?
Total Earnings?
EPS? (@ the Meet)

I haven't spent the time to analyze the data over a long time to determine if its even worth it to highlight certain Jockeys or Trainers on my PPs in relation to Meet (separate from - career/90 days/year/all tracks/etc).

It does not have to pertain to a WINNING factor, but more for Exotic betting.

Also, if this data doesn't provide usefulness - you can state just that.
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Old 05-23-2018, 04:41 PM   #2
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You needed another option: "None of the above."

That would be my choice.
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Old 05-23-2018, 05:14 PM   #3
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The factors you have listed are fairly basic, and would be reflected in the morning line(sometimes).

Any time there's a hot jockey/trainer combo, or "jockey on for this trainer really trying" it's well known.

Many handicappers look at jockey strengths and weaknesses, but that's also reflected to a lesser degree in Bris and DRF stats - again, commonly known.

Many handicappers look at trainer patterns, which are usually only presented in high-level numbers, but more advanced tools like Formulator let you drill down deeper, and get specific stats for a particular race/horse/setup. Less commonly known, especially those for rounding out the exotics vs. winning.

Some connections "point" to the boutique meets like Saratoga, Keeneland and Del Mar, while others avoid those or do poorly, saving their ammo for easier pickings.

There is good reason to review meet statistics, mostly on the wagering side, which eliminates many of them for me. But some venues that race year round or for many months would require separating their "meets" up to get any more useful data.

Meanwhile, I'll be bold and say that kind of homework can be more usefully spent taking extensive trip notes and using physical appearance - which are not as commonly used, and vary wildly between 'cappers.
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Talking about a specific meet, I choose Win%, as in trainers who do so-so at other times while pointing towards a specific meet to unleash their good stock.
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Thank you for the input guys, I also received some Private Messages with good feedback as well. All of it is much appreciated!
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You needed another option: "None of the above."

That would be my choice.
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I rarely look at the top of the standings. Over the years the same names seem to make those lists and we've come to rely on those barns running a live horse. Percentages become very important to me if I find a horse that meets all other criteria as a major play but comes from a barn that rarely wins. That will almost always disqualify the play. Why force the issue and kick myself after the fact?
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