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Old 09-13-2012, 12:44 PM   #106
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Buzz-off with that crap.

Rather than coming to defense of any teacher related caper from Snap Crackle Popville, are you completely out to lunch with the fact that their salaries & benefits are ALREADY some of the highest in the country? Every teach I've had a discussion with about this says they should be quite happy. Including those who have to ' endure ' evaluations. Can ya believe it?

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Buzz-off yourself, you old goat. You could care less about the kids.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:46 PM   #107
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Teacher's union officials salaries.

Could it be the union bosses want more money?
Do you think the Koch brothers and company don't?
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:49 PM   #108
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Buzz-off yourself, you old goat. You could care less about the kids.
Mac said buzz off with the crap, i.e. your position and response, not you, but you reduce it to an ad hominem attack.

Not nice. Can't you at least keep the debate at the level of opinions and ideals and not the person?
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:49 PM   #109
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I'm saying that if what you say is true, it would at least make no difference and cost a lot less. Chicago is 50% under the national average of graduation rates - they do NOT deserve a raise and the NEED an evaluation system.
I agree that something needs to be done for the children's sake. With no child left behind, we have 8th grade teachers teaching algebra to special ed students. Would you want your job rating based on that outcome?
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:50 PM   #110
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Do you think the Koch brothers and company don't?
Everybody but that baby on the TV ad wants more.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:52 PM   #111
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I agree that something needs to be done for the children's sake. With no child left behind, we have 8th grade teachers teaching algebra to special ed students. Would you want your job rating based on that outcome?
i guess that's one of the down sides to main streaming.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:53 PM   #112
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Mac said buzz off with the crap, i.e. your position and response, not you, but you reduce it to an ad hominem attack.

Not nice. Can't you at least keep the debate at the level of opinions and ideals and not the person?
What's nice with his lack of compassion for our children? There is no debate. It's a war that the middle class will lose. When people are convinced to vote no on their own health care or not support their own children's education.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:07 PM   #113
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What's nice with his lack of compassion for our children?


"Lack of compassion for kids." "Koch Bro's." "Top 3% wealth."

Ring the bell. We got another heavily indoctrinated dunce.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:30 PM   #114
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What's nice with his lack of compassion for our children? There is no debate. It's a war that the middle class will lose. When people are convinced to vote no on their own health care or not support their own children's education.
You claim Mack has no compassion for the children and yet it is YOU who is taking up for the teachers who are graduating one of the lowest rates in the country and have something like 80% plus of the ninth graders there who can't read......
I am really starting to wonder who truly cares about those kids...Mack who wants those UNDERPERFORMING teachers of CHILDREN held accountable or YOU who wants to give them more benefits????
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400,000 kids have no missed 4 days of education in a district that has twice the failure rate of the rest of the nation, all because a few incompetent people think that calls for a raise, more benefits, and no scrutiny of the piss poor jobs they do.

Who?? has no compassion for the kids?
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Old 09-13-2012, 03:16 PM   #116
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15% of 9th graders can properly read/write.
Where did you get that figure?
I'm asking because the national adult illiteracy rate is 15% (google it). Is it possible that you mean that 15% of 9th graders can't read/write? If so then it's right on target with the national adult rate.

However, if your statement is correct as written, is that the national rate or the Chicago rate?
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Old 09-13-2012, 03:21 PM   #117
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However, if your statement is correct as written, is that the national rate or the Chicago rate?
Forgive me. I pride myself on not furthering erroneous information but I have reason to believe I misheard. I believe it's 15% of 4th graders have reading proficiency. Sorry about the confoosion.
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Tell ya what we do so there's no confoosion. I'll tell you I know personally what is involved in being a teach,
Do you now? I take it you have been a teacher?
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I'm fairly sure that there are hundreds of unemployed teachers that would be willing to teach in the CPS for what the teachers currently are paid.
You mean hire scabs?

We're not talking about hiring people to shovel manure. Why are these unemployed teachers unemployed?
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There is NO excuse for teachers to EVER go on strike.
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