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04-06-2014, 01:02 PM
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Is anyone else tired of the same old BS at Santa Anita?
same old speed bias racetrack where half the field has no shot to win and very boring to watch.
They know how to do a fair racetrack (see the Saturday BC card after being forced to by the BC) but are too stubborn or don't care about integrity.
How can we change this?
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04-06-2014, 01:08 PM
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PA Steward
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Bet the speed?
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04-06-2014, 01:36 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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D'oh!
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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04-06-2014, 04:18 PM
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They need to realize that with a deeper and fair track, more horses can win and when more horses can win, there is more chance of carryovers and the more carryovers you get, the more money you make.
I know they want to cater to certain horsemen who cry about a deep surface, but the deeper surface makes it safer for horses (more cushion) and of course, in turn, that makes it safer for the riders and a by product of this is you make more money in the long run and the handicappers have a more fair product to play.
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04-06-2014, 10:28 PM
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Speed Bias tracks in general increases betting handle. Bigger players step up there bets when there is a track bias, not to mention there golden child california chrome would not benefit from a fair biased track.
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04-06-2014, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by greengorilla
Speed Bias tracks in general increases betting handle. Bigger players step up there bets when there is a track bias, not to mention there golden child california chrome would not benefit from a fair biased track.
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I know personally when i see a strong speed bias, my wagers go way down in size because i can't trust that any horse i like who's a closer will be able to get there.
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04-07-2014, 12:23 AM
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PA Steward
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You shouldn't be liking any closers on a strongly speed-biased track.
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04-07-2014, 01:43 AM
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Location: Winnipeg
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Is it that much different than gulfstream?
East calls west biased
West calls east biased
They probably both are but isn't all dirt racing? There's days in Chicago, New Orleans, New York, turfway, etc etc that are speed biased too.
Just a piece of the game.
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04-07-2014, 01:56 AM
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Start betting the Aqueduct inner dirt course. No Bias there.
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04-07-2014, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
You shouldn't be liking any closers on a strongly speed-biased track.
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Here's what i mean.
If a horse catches my eye on videotape or a horse who caught my eye when he last ran and a horse who i want to "bet next time" might show up on a track that will compromise his style. BUT, you have to be careful with this because you can't just blindly bet against horses you are waiting to bet just because you think the track might beat them.
Sometimes they'll win anyway...so, i'd rather just be able to bet horses i have good notes on instead of having to worry that some bias is going to beat me.
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04-07-2014, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Gobbi
same old speed bias racetrack where half the field has no shot to win and very boring to watch.
They know how to do a fair racetrack (see the Saturday BC card after being forced to by the BC) but are too stubborn or don't care about integrity.
How can we change this?
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Nothing better then just flat out making stuff up. Being forced to by the BC?? Thats rich.
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04-07-2014, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Thebigguy
Nothing better then just flat out making stuff up. Being forced to by the BC?? Thats rich.
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Following Friday’s races, the Twittersphere was abuzz with comments and pictures about the bias and the heavy maintenance to correct the situation. According to a representative from the Horseplayers Association of North America, Breeders’ Cup officials weren’t pleased and asked Santa Anita to put on a full court press to slow down the stinging main track for Saturday’s races.
Entire Article:
http://www.horseraceinsider.com/John...bettors-alike/
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04-07-2014, 08:02 PM
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just bet the races from keeneland,woodbine and any other track with old torn up rugs, tires and wax candles that the horses run on.That stuff makes bad horses better.
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04-07-2014, 08:57 PM
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just ran through the charts at Santa Anita for the past two weeks and found that during live racing twelve horses during the past eight days of racing either pulled up, were eased or broke down.
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04-07-2014, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Gobbi
just ran through the charts at Santa Anita for the past two weeks and found that during live racing twelve horses during the past eight days of racing either pulled up, were eased or broke down.
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Maybe they need to make the surface harder and more speed favoring, so the trainers won't complain.
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