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View Poll Results: Mega Barn "Super" Trainers are............... (You can choose more than one answer)
Good for the game 13 10.00%
Bad for the game 81 62.31%
Have "Super Vets" and "Super" vet bills 47 36.15%
Just work harder than everyone else 11 8.46%
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Old 06-27-2018, 11:17 AM   #91
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I know nothing about this topic. I do feel that whenever money is involved people are cheating or trying to cheat. I understand the fingers pointed at the super trainers. The one thing that has bugged me about this is why did Arrogate suddenly become a bum after looking like one of the greats? Why would BB, who some are saying has super juice, stop giving it to him if that what was happening?
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Old 06-27-2018, 11:19 AM   #92
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I know nothing about this topic. I do feel that whenever money is involved people are cheating or trying to cheat. I understand the fingers pointed at the super trainers. The one thing that has bugged me about this is why did Arrogate suddenly become a bum after looking like one of the greats? Why would BB, who some are saying has super juice, stop giving it to him if that what was happening?
Eventually their bodies break down from whatever they're doing or they die.
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Old 06-27-2018, 07:50 PM   #93
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Frfom another perspective.
Super trainers are gutting the betting aspect of the game.
Points to ponder.
-Super trainers carry much clout.
-They can wield influence over Racing Secretaries. Races are written so that fields are smaller.
-Smaller fields mean more opportunities to cash checks.
-The ST's that are flush with wealthy owners that can afford high class stock run the show.
For example, Last Saturday there was a Stake Race at Belmont that drew 7, scratched down to 5( The two scratches were MTO) Chad Brown had three of the five remaining starters.
I have a problem with that.
Of course some of my points are pure speculation on my part. I'm using some deductive reasoning to arrive at my speculation.
Now, is there a solution?
Hmm. Don't know.
On the issue regarding PED's, that's been sufficiently discussed in this thread, so I digress.
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:53 PM   #94
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In the L.A. Times a few days ago they had this guys selections and analysis. I blasted it out to my email list because of the comments below. Last night he sent me a free sheet for today at Belmont.


‘SUPER FEED’ TRAINERS: These are guys who’ve mastered the labs, meaning, they know how to add to their feed buckets without a sign of negative drug results, masking, etc. There’s a reason why runners from these barns always seem to re-break at the top of the lane, “finding more” as west coast announcer Trevor Denman would say. Front runners from these barns are always so dangerous. By the way, ever wonder why the trainers atop the leaderboard right now are rarely seen on the big days with security cameras and a security guard outside the stall prior to the big day races? Funny how that works.



All true, and old news.


What can we do about it? At one time you could ban someone or call them in and tell them to knock it off, even if you didn't have hard evidence.


Those days are long gone .
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Old 06-27-2018, 10:19 PM   #95
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All true, and old news.


What can we do about it? At one time you could ban someone or call them in and tell them to knock it off, even if you didn't have hard evidence.


Those days are long gone .
May be old news to you and me but not to most. For a mainstream publication to routinely put this into their handicapping sheet is extraordinary. Most if not all others would never include this in their sheet.
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Old 06-29-2018, 12:30 PM   #96
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Listening to the DRF shows on the upcoming weekend races and heard them say that the United Nations at Monmouth has a field of nine - and FOUR are trained by Chad Brown.

But, we don't have to worry. Trainers would never try anything funny.
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Oh, I almost forgot about the Sword Dancer at Saratoga.

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Old 07-02-2018, 03:18 AM   #97
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Secretariat was juiced to the gills.
I'm sure. OTOH, few "juiced" horses would be able to pull off what he did.

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It isn't illegal but it should be. Giving any drugs looking for a performance edge and not treating a condition is a sad reality of the sport.
Plus, we do not know the ultimate side effects. Aside from the actual mortality of the equine itself, what affect will newer PEDs have on a mare's ability to foal, or a stallion's ability to breed.


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The game needs to be regulated by the Feds, because of the various states involved.
Kind of like the ISO Standards - with third party certifications and audits.
It is a TOTAL JOKE to think any race track can police itself.
SUPER trainers are nothing more than equine mafia.
Indeed.

Last sentence cracked me up
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Regarding Jason Servis. Tweet is about Firenze Fire in the sixth at Belmont.


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And this is from the same trainer who, earlier this year, had a horse coming off a 8 month break, moved up 2 classes, showed 1 3f workout in those 8 months, and won for fun at 1 1/16 miles. He is a conditioning master.
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Regarding Jason Servis. Tweet is about Firenze Fire in the sixth at Belmont.

https://twitter.com/TimeformUSfigs/s...81455815954434
This race was everything that is wrong with racing in 2018. It is a shame. We should be able to celebrate a 3yo romping to victory over a solid field. Instead we are left to wonder about a trainer who seemingly can't lose while his horses show newfound speed and stamina and huge bets changing the odds at the last minute.
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This race was everything that is wrong with racing in 2018. It is a shame. We should be able to celebrate a 3yo romping to victory over a solid field. Instead we are left to wonder about a trainer who seemingly can't lose while his horses show newfound speed and stamina and huge bets changing the odds at the last minute.
Was my third choice so didn't use at all even though I thought there would be a meltdown. The gap in the works caused me to toss. It's interesting. Some of the "move'em up" guys have regular workouts all the time but then there are guys like Servis who regularly miss works but still run out of their minds.
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