We've Been Scammed with a Pandemic of Fear

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by 1mileto7Fcutback

You're trying too hard.

A self-made slacker like yourself would think so.

[1mileto7Fcutback]

Originally Posted by boxcar

A self-made slacker like yourself would think so.

A self made slacker?



Bringing out the big guns, huh?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by 1mileto7Fcutback

A self made slacker?



Bringing out the big guns, huh?

Quit flattering yourself. You're only fly squatter material.

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by 1mileto7Fcutback

Big propaganda machine in Wales you figure?

No dipshit, the cover up of breakthrough case data and death rates is happening everywhere.



Just like the brainwashing. I'd explain it to you, but well, you're the brainwashed.

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

No dipshit, the cover up of breakthrough case data and death rates is happening everywhere.



Just like the brainwashing. I'd explain it to you, but well, you're the brainwashed.

[1mileto7Fcutback]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

No dipshit, the cover up of breakthrough case data and death rates is happening everywhere.



Just like the brainwashing. I'd explain it to you, but well, you're the brainwashed.

It helps if you know what the conversation is about before you come in and embarrass yourself.

Nothing new for you on that front.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

No dipshit, the cover up of breakthrough case data and death rates is happening everywhere.



Just like the brainwashing. I'd explain it to you, but well, you're the brainwashed.

It was a small load.
They did it in a sink.

[Jeff P]

Originally Posted by 1mileto7Fcutback

What do the death rates look like?

That's a fair question.

Public Health Services for Wales didn't list deaths in their report.

I found a page at the Public Health England website with a link to downloadable .xlsx that contains deaths during 2021 by week data with columns for age and vaccination status.

Link here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...nstatusengland

I downloaded the .xlsx file and looked at the data.

Then I copied and pasted data for the over 60 age groups from the most recent week in the .xlsx file - week 38 ended Sept 24, 2021 and compiled a table reporting Covid deaths.

Here's what that looks like:

Unvaccinated
Week                                 Deaths
Ended    Age    Deaths  Population  Per 100k
-------  -----  ------  ----------  --------
24Sep21  60-69      23     270,362       8.5
24Sep21  70-79      16     130,806      12.2
24Sep21  80+        28      69,021      40.6

Partially Vaccinated                                  
Week                                 Deaths
Ended    Age    Deaths  Population  Per 100k
-------  -----  ------  ----------  --------
24Sep21  60-69       6      57,552      10.4
24Sep21  70-79       4      30,078      13.3
24Sep21  80+        11      24,113      45.6

Fully Vaccinated                                  
Week                                 Deaths
Ended    Age    Deaths  Population  Per 100k
-------  -----  ------  ----------  --------
24Sep21  60-69      55   4,973,647       1.1
24Sep21  70-79     117   4,171,936       2.8
24Sep21  80+       243   2,439,328      10.0

Fyi, I've attached the .xlsx file from Public Health England which includes the added table that I compiled (above.)

The raw number of deaths among the fully vaccinated is much higher than the raw number of deaths among the unvaccinated and partially vaccinated.

But so is the total population of fully vaccinated vs. total population of unvaccinated and total population of partially vaccinated.

Adjusting the raw number of deaths to deaths per 100k:

Data from Public Health England (and elsewhere) does show significantly lower COVID death rates among the fully vaccinated.

But that by itself only gives you one part of the big picture.

More to come...


-jp

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[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by Tom

It was a small load.
They did it in a sink.

And they did not change the water between the rinse and repeats. But they did polish it to a smooth surface.

YouTube

[Jeff P]

Let's take a look at data from Pfizer's clinical vaccine trial that was submitted to the FDA.

CH7 Israel National News | Nov 17 2021
FDA report finds all-cause mortality higher among vaccinated:
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/317091

FDA report shows Pfizer's clinical trials found 24% higher all-cause mortality rate among the vaccinated compared to placebo group. Report emphasizes that "None of the deaths were considered related to vaccination."

PDF at the FDA.gov site:
https://www.fda.gov/media/151733/download

According to CH7 Israel National News, data submitted to the FDA from Pfizer's own clinical vaccine trial shows the following:

• 22,000 cohorts were given two doses of the Pfizer vaccine.

• 22,000 cohorts were given a placebo.

There were 3 COVID deaths among the study cohorts.

• 1 in the vaccinated group.

• 2 in the placebo group.

So twice as many COVID deaths among the placebo group.

Imo, based on that, the FDA committee voted to approve the Pfizer vaccine.


But that only gives you part of the big picture.

Buried on page 23 on the FDA's report of Pfizer's clinical vaccine trial data (link here) you can find the following:

From Dose 1 through the March 13, 2021 data cutoff date, there were a total of 38 deaths, 21 in the COMIRNATY group and 17 in the placebo group. None of the deaths were considered related to vaccination.

• 21 all causes deaths among the vaccinated group.

• 17 all causes deaths among the placebo group.

So 23.5% higher all causes deaths among the vaccinated group. And the FDA claims the excess deaths in the vaccine group are related to vaccination.

Speaking strictly for myself - I'm not buying that for a second. (For reasons that I'll get to below.)

Imo, the FDA committee chose to ignore this data when they voted to approve the Pfizer vaccine.

Also, the original table of all causes deaths submitted to the FDA by Pfizer (see the clickable thumbnail below) which I took a screenshot of but can no longer seem to find on the PDF at the FDA.gov site shows the following breakout of cardiac deaths:

• 4 cardiac arrests in the vaccinated group.
• 1 cardiac failure congestive in the vaccinated group.
• 1 cardio-respiratory arrest in the vaccinated group.
• 1 chronic obstructive pulmonary disease in the vaccinated group.

• 1 cardiac arrest in the placebo group.
• 0 cardiac failure congestive in the placebo group.
• 1 cardio-respiratory arrest in the placebo group.
• 0 chronic obstructive pulmonary disease in the placebo group.

So 7 cardiac deaths in the vaccinated group and 2 cardiac deaths in the placebo group.

Or 3.5 times the number of cardiac deaths in the vaccinated group vs. the placebo group.

Imo, the FDA committee also chose to ignore this data when they voted to approve the Pfizer vaccine.

Why might this be important?

Imo, the excess mortality and cardiac deaths in the data of Pfizer's clinical vaccine trial(s) might - repeat might - provide some clues about excess mortality first seen in Europe.

Scientists have been studying all causes deaths among populations during the pandemic - both during 2020 before vaccines were available - and in 2021 in countries during vaccine rollout to large segments of their populations.

I did a Google search for the phrase "excess mortality vaccine status" (without the quotes) which turned up nothing alarming on the first few pages of the Google search results.

I went over to DuckDuckGo, searched for the same phrase and came up with many articles about the correlation between excess mortality and vaccine status including one about two scientists who have been studying excess mortality and vaccine status in Germany.

Imo, Google is censoring the search results to support a narrative... Big Pharma GOOD. Independent thought BAD.

Analysis of German Data Shows the Higher the Vaccination Rate, the Higher the Excess Mortality:
https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/12/06/an...ess-mortality/

Researchers Prof. Dr. Rolf Steyer and Dr. Gregor Kappler conducted an analysis examining excess mortality in all 16 German states during weeks 36 to 40. The analysis compared states with higher vaccination rates versus those with lower vaccination rates. The analysis showed: the higher the vaccination rate, the higher the excess mortality.

Prof. Steyer is professor emeritus of Friedrich Schiller University with a research interest is in the theory of causality and the theory of latent variables. Dr. Kappler is a Multivariate Statistical Methods lecturer, senior data scientist and software developer.

Dr. Ute Berner, an experimental physicist and Member of Thüringen State Parliament, commissioned the two statisticians, Prof. Steyer and Dr. Kappler, to investigate whether there was a connection between the vaccination rate and excess mortality across Germany.

The analysis was based on data from the Federal Office for Statistics and Germany’s Public Health Robert Koch Institute (“RKI”). The authors wrote (translated into English):

“The correlation is + .31, is amazingly high and especially in an unexpected direction. Actually, it should be negative, so that one could say: The higher the vaccination rate, the lower the excess mortality. However, the opposite is the case and this urgently needs to be clarified. Excess mortality can be observed in all 16 [states]. The number of Covid deaths reported by the RKI in the period under consideration consistently represents only a relatively small part of mortality and, above all, cannot explain the critical facts:”

The higher the vaccination rate the higher the excess mortality

According to Our World in Data during the period 2 February to 22 November 2020 Germany’s all-cause deaths were lower compared to previous years. From 29 November 2020 there were 2,916 excess deaths and by 14 November 2021 Germany had a cumulative 61,920 excess deaths.

Our World in Data shows that in the “year of the pandemic” there were no excess deaths while in the “year of the vaccination” there are excess deaths, almost 37,500 occurring post-vaccination roll-out.

Imo, the two scientists in the above article have proven correlation between excess mortality and vaccination rate.

However, correlation does NOT necessarily mean causation.

As the article points out we don't yet know the actual root cause behind the increase in all causes mortality.

The root cause could very well turn out to be short term noise in the data.

The root cause behind the increase in all cause mortality could also turn out to be from stress or depression brought on by the lockdowns or forced vaccine mandates.

The truth is we just don't know yet.

That said --

Imo, the rise in all cause mortality definitely needs to be investigated and made public even if, no strike that - especially if the root cause turns out to be the mRNA vaccines.


-jp

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[OntheRail]

Good research there JeffP. Just don't link to it on your FB or Twitter if you partake in those. They will throttle you or out right strike it down. Science you know... only Lord Science can speak to what is is.

[Jeff P]

Was betting a race at Turf Paradise after I hit the submit button and ran out of edit time.

So 23.5% higher all causes deaths among the vaccinated group. And the FDA claims the excess deaths in the vaccine group are related to vaccination.

The above quote should be corrected to read as follows:

So 23.5% higher all causes deaths among the vaccinated group. And the FDA claims the excess deaths in the vaccine group are not related to vaccination.

Carry on...


-jp

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[1mileto7Fcutback]

Originally Posted by Jeff P

That's a fair question.

Public Health Services for Wales didn't list deaths in their report.

I found a page at the Public Health England website with a link to downloadable .xlsx that contains deaths during 2021 by week data with columns for age and vaccination status.

Link here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...nstatusengland

I downloaded the .xlsx file and looked at the data.

Then I copied and pasted data for the over 60 age groups from the most recent week in the .xlsx file - week 38 ended Sept 24, 2021 and compiled a table reporting Covid deaths.

Here's what that looks like:

Unvaccinated
Week                                 Deaths
Ended    Age    Deaths  Population  Per 100k
-------  -----  ------  ----------  --------
24Sep21  60-69      23     270,362       8.5
24Sep21  70-79      16     130,806      12.2
24Sep21  80+        28      69,021      40.6

Partially Vaccinated                                  
Week                                 Deaths
Ended    Age    Deaths  Population  Per 100k
-------  -----  ------  ----------  --------
24Sep21  60-69       6      57,552      10.4
24Sep21  70-79       4      30,078      13.3
24Sep21  80+        11      24,113      45.6

Fully Vaccinated                                  
Week                                 Deaths
Ended    Age    Deaths  Population  Per 100k
-------  -----  ------  ----------  --------
24Sep21  60-69      55   4,973,647       1.1
24Sep21  70-79     117   4,171,936       2.8
24Sep21  80+       243   2,439,328      10.0

Fyi, I've attached the .xlsx file from Public Health England which includes the added table that I compiled (above.)

The raw number of deaths among the fully vaccinated is much higher than the raw number of deaths among the unvaccinated and partially vaccinated.

But so is the total population of fully vaccinated vs. total population of unvaccinated and total population of partially vaccinated.

Adjusting the raw number of deaths to deaths per 100k:

Data from Public Health England (and elsewhere) does show significantly lower COVID death rates among the fully vaccinated.

But that by itself only gives you one part of the big picture.

More to come...


-jp

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Appreciate all of the info. So to answer your question, which prompted my question, the protection you are getting is a much lower death rate for the vaccinated.

You at least seem open minded and are doing research and have made your choice based on your research so I can appreciate that.

[1mileto7Fcutback]

Originally Posted by OntheRail

Good research there JeffP. Just don't link to it on your FB or Twitter if you partake in those. They will throttle you or out right strike it down. Science you know... only Lord Science can speak to what is is.

Who is going to explain to you what the research means because there's no way you have any idea what you're looking at.

[Poindexter]

Originally Posted by Jeff P

Let's take a look at data from Pfizer's clinical vaccine trial that was submitted to the FDA.

CH7 Israel National News | Nov 17 2021
FDA report finds all-cause mortality higher among vaccinated:
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/317091



PDF at the FDA.gov site:
https://www.fda.gov/media/151733/download

According to CH7 Israel National News, data submitted to the FDA from Pfizer's own clinical vaccine trial shows the following:

• 22,000 cohorts were given two doses of the Pfizer vaccine.

• 22,000 cohorts were given a placebo.

There were 3 COVID deaths among the study cohorts.

• 1 in the vaccinated group.

• 2 in the placebo group.

So twice as many COVID deaths among the placebo group.

Imo, based on that, the FDA committee voted to approve the Pfizer vaccine.


But that only gives you part of the big picture.

Buried on page 23 on the FDA's report of Pfizer's clinical vaccine trial data (link here) you can find the following:



• 21 all causes deaths among the vaccinated group.

• 17 all causes deaths among the placebo group.

So 23.5% higher all causes deaths among the vaccinated group. And the FDA claims the excess deaths in the vaccine group are related to vaccination.

Speaking strictly for myself - I'm not buying that for a second. (For reasons that I'll get to below.)

Imo, the FDA committee chose to ignore this data when they voted to approve the Pfizer vaccine.

Also, the original table of all causes deaths submitted to the FDA by Pfizer (see the clickable thumbnail below) which I took a screenshot of but can no longer seem to find on the PDF at the FDA.gov site shows the following breakout of cardiac deaths:

• 4 cardiac arrests in the vaccinated group.
• 1 cardiac failure congestive in the vaccinated group.
• 1 cardio-respiratory arrest in the vaccinated group.
• 1 chronic obstructive pulmonary disease in the vaccinated group.

• 1 cardiac arrest in the placebo group.
• 0 cardiac failure congestive in the placebo group.
• 1 cardio-respiratory arrest in the placebo group.
• 0 chronic obstructive pulmonary disease in the placebo group.

So 7 cardiac deaths in the vaccinated group and 2 cardiac deaths in the placebo group.

Or 3.5 times the number of cardiac deaths in the vaccinated group vs. the placebo group.

Imo, the FDA committee also chose to ignore this data when they voted to approve the Pfizer vaccine.

Why might this be important?

Imo, the excess mortality and cardiac deaths in the data of Pfizer's clinical vaccine trial(s) might - repeat might - provide some clues about excess mortality first seen in Europe.

Scientists have been studying all causes deaths among populations during the pandemic - both during 2020 before vaccines were available - and in 2021 in countries during vaccine rollout to large segments of their populations.

I did a Google search for the phrase "excess mortality vaccine status" (without the quotes) which turned up nothing alarming on the first few pages of the Google search results.

I went over to DuckDuckGo, searched for the same phrase and came up with many articles about the correlation between excess mortality and vaccine status including one about two scientists who have been studying excess mortality and vaccine status in Germany.

Imo, Google is censoring the search results to support a narrative... Big Pharma GOOD. Independent thought BAD.

Analysis of German Data Shows the Higher the Vaccination Rate, the Higher the Excess Mortality:
https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/12/06/an...ess-mortality/





Imo, the two scientists in the above article have proven correlation between excess mortality and vaccination rate.

However, correlation does NOT necessarily mean causation.

As the article points out we don't yet know the actual root cause behind the increase in all causes mortality.

The root cause could very well turn out to be short term noise in the data.

The root cause behind the increase in all cause mortality could also turn out to be from stress or depression brought on by the lockdowns or forced vaccine mandates.

The truth is we just don't know yet.

That said --

Imo, the rise in all cause mortality definitely needs to be investigated and made public even if, no strike that - especially if the root cause turns out to be the mRNA vaccines.


-jp

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By the way Mr. lol, 1m to 7 furlongs cutback, this is what I mean when we(most of the folks on this forum) say we know what is going on. This is a vast conspiracy between, government, tech and msm to manipulate the mind of every person in the the entire world. All for one agenda, vaccinate every human being. They silence/discredit any mention of inexpensive drugs that can save peoples lives and censor any data or information that might help us make a more informed decision but hurt their agenda. In their world, we don't get a seat at the table as to what should or should not go in our body. We aren't entitled to know that some of these medicines that have been on the markets for many years can save our lives. Moreover, we really aren't even entitled to know any of the research that may deter us from taking the jab, or booster number 6,7,25,1000......

This I guess is the world you want. Move to New Zealand right now and see how fun it is. If you escape this vaccine unscathed, will see how you do not the next one.......By the way do you really think the people in power are going to stop at vaccines? Yeah right. You don't understand power very well, do you?