Brown fined $1.6 million after government investigation

[cj]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Doo Doo Brown now 3 for 15 since this post

1	05-23-2019	4th race	1	Financial System (KY)	Alw	1 1/16M	C C Brown	1/1#	Turf Good				
2	05-23-2019	4th race	1A	Unleveraged (KY)	Alw	1 1/16M	C C Brown	1/1#	Turf Good	W	2.9	2.1	2.1
3	05-23-2019	7th race	8	Morelikelythannot (KY)	Mdn Spcl1 3/8 M	C C Brown	4/1#	Turf Good				
4	05-24-2019	7th race	9	Chiclets Dream (NY)	Alw	7 Furl	C C Brown	5/2#	Turf Firm	S			2.2
5	05-24-2019	8th race	6	Too Cool to Dance (KY)	Alw	1 1/8 M	C C Brown	5/2#	Turf Firm				
6	05-25-2019	6th race	7	Positive Skew (KY)	Alw	6 Furl	C C Brown	7/2#	Turf Firm				
7	05-25-2019	9th race	2	Fog of War (KY)		Stakes	7 Furl	C C Brown	8/5#	Turf Firm	
8	05-26-2019	3rd race	2	Rumor Driven (NY)	Alw	1 M	C C Brown	1/1#	Dirt Fast	S			2.1
9	05-26-2019	6th race	6	Minsky Moment (NY)	AOC	1 1/16M	C C Brown	8/5#	Dirt Fast				
10	05-26-2019	9th race	7	Cyber Currency (NY)	Mdn Spcl6.5 FurlC C Brown	3/1#	Dirt Fast							
11	05-27-2019	2nd race	1	More Mischief (NY)	Alw	6.5 FurlC C Brown	3/1#	Dirt Fast	P		3.8	2.3
12	05-27-2019	5th race	1	Fifty Five (NY)		Stakes	1 M	C C Brown	1/1#	Turf Good	W	3.1	2.6	2.1
13	05-27-2019	5th race	7	Lovely La La (NY)	Stakes	1 M	C C Brown	12/1#	Turf Good				
14	05-27-2019	7th race	4	Kathryn the Wise (NY)	Stakes	1 M	C C Brown	8/5#	Dirt Fast	W	6.3	3.7	2.5
15	05-27-2019	8th race	3	Offering Plan (NY)	Stakes	1 M	C C Brown	6/5#	Turf Good	S			2.1

		Strts	1st	2nds	3rds	Win %	Win $	Cost	Return	% Return						
C C Brown	15	3	1	3	20%	$12.3	$30	$-17.7	-59%	
					
						WPS %	WPS $	Cost	Return	% Return	Shw $
						46.6%	$39.9	$90	$-50.1	-56%		15.4

Would be great to see all of the stable hands across the country under him go on strike

He's won six of his last 25 including five stakes around the country. I think he'll be ok.

[LemonSoupKid]

Originally Posted by Someday Silent

The next time someone whines about how "we just can't find Americans to doooo theeese jooooobssss"... well, Chad Brown is one of the reasons why.

$1.6 MILLION could feed, house, and insure alot of Americans.

We need H2B visas for groom and hot walkers? And people wonder why populism is so obviously supported by Americans.

This is awful, I am sad this will conflict me on rooting or betting on his horses from now on. Damn.

[LemonSoupKid]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

it certainly looks like its not that easy to run big operation like what Brown has.
according to the article, he signed a consent decree which is a tough way to travel going forward for sure. that explains why the fines and penalties were so low on this case. if this happened to me i would immediately retire from horse racing and go into something else that the government wouldn't have hanging over my head.

I also don't want to be too sure or harsh because I'm sure this is complicated, but the problem is that the culture has become so bad over the years of spoiling the top guys (chamber of commerce types) with global labor, they now expect dirt cheap 3rd world prices for solid labor. It's one of the reasons why we have so many problems, and it's exacerbated by those who make "capitalism" an idol. I'm a huge markets guy but this kind of stuff is what makes having a country meaningless. If you want global labor but people have differing currencies and standards of living, it's not fair to call that "competition" to the local area. It's the same argument as idolizing "free trade" which is Chamber of Commerce BS so they can sweatshop people and sell it back to us in the US for 10 or 100-fold the price it would otherwise be.

If you have any delusions about this being the way "business" people think, just listen to Mark Cuban on Shark Tank. He's a clear example, unabashed of how brazen these types still are. They don't even care about throwing it in your face.

[The_Turf_Monster]

Originally Posted by LemonSoupKid

I also don't want to be too sure or harsh because I'm sure this is complicated, but the problem is that the culture has become so bad over the years of spoiling the top guys (chamber of commerce types) with global labor, they now expect dirt cheap 3rd world prices for solid labor. It's one of the reasons why we have so many problems, and it's exacerbated by those who make "capitalism" an idol. I'm a huge markets guy but this kind of stuff is what makes having a country meaningless. If you want global labor but people have differing currencies and standards of living, it's not fair to call that "competition" to the local area. It's the same argument as idolizing "free trade" which is Chamber of Commerce BS so they can sweatshop people and sell it back to us in the US for 10 or 100-fold the price it would otherwise be.

If you have any delusions about this being the way "business" people think, just listen to Mark Cuban on Shark Tank. He's a clear example, unabashed of how brazen these types still are. They don't even care about throwing it in your face.

He's just an example of somebody not bright enough to comprehend the effects of 'free trade' on a domestic/importing population. All the dude has is profits in mind and for him, 'free trade' doesn't affect anything but his bottom line. It's sad to watch tbh, history won't be kind to people like him

[Tom]

So has Chadsy paid all his employees, and us taxpayers yet?
Or is he still playing dumb?

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by LemonSoupKid

(chamber of commerce types)

Ha. Yes. I know the type. I lived in a town like that, where the only thing the top Chamber of Commerce people did was make things better for themselves (their rental vacation cabins, their car dealerships, their sweatshops, etc. ) ------ while the rest of the town remained seriously economically depressed because they kept out any and every company that wanted to come in from the outside with jobs for the townsfolk. The townsfolks remained a captive audience ( with small paychecks) for the chamber-of-commerce people who ran and owned every business in town. (and were on all the boards like the economic development committees, etc. too).

I waited 17 years for that to change, but it never did, and it never will, unless these people just die off, but then they taught their kids the same value system, so they will just take over where mom n' dad left off. I"m sure there are many small Southern towns like this.

[NY BRED]

uncertain if this part of the equation has been discussed, but:

If these employees were not paid ,and taxes were filed stating they were paid ,i believe both the trainer and accountant(s) committed fraud and could face heavy penalties from the IRS,massive litigation from the employees,possibly even jail time.

Based upon the information stated , the proper action would be for all tracks
to suspend Chad Brown until this matter is clarified.

[TheOracle]

Doo Doo Brown 10 entered at Belmont before scratches
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=152631

[TheOracle]

Doo Doo Brown 7 for 22 at Belmont since the fine

1	05-23-2019	4th race	1	Financial System (KY)	Alw	Turf Good	1 1/16M	C C Brown	1/1#				
2	05-23-2019	4th race	1A	Unleveraged (KY)	Alw	Turf Good	1 1/16M	C C Brown	1/1#	W	2.9	2.1	2.1
3	05-23-2019	7th race	8	Morelikelythannot (KY)	Mdn SpclTurf Good	1 3/8 M	C C Brown	4/1#				
4	05-24-2019	7th race	9	Chiclets Dream (NY)	Alw	Turf Firm	7 Furl	C C Brown	5/2#	S			2.2
5	05-24-2019	8th race	6	Too Cool to Dance (KY)	Alw	Turf Firm	1 1/8 M	C C Brown	5/2#				
6	05-25-2019	6th race	7	Positive Skew (KY)	Alw	Turf Firm	6 Furl	C C Brown	7/2#				
7	05-25-2019	9th race	2	Fog of War (KY)	        Stakes	Turf Firm	7 Furl	C C Brown	8/5#				
8	05-26-2019	3rd race	2	Rumor Driven (NY)	Alw	Dirt Fast	1 M	C C Brown	1/1#	S			2.1
9	05-26-2019	6th race	6	Minsky Moment (NY)	Alw Op CDirt Fast	1 1/16M	C C Brown	8/5#				
10	05-26-2019	9th race	7	Cyber Currency (NY)	Mdn SpclDirt Fast	6.5 FurlC C Brown	3/1#				
11	05-27-2019	2nd race	1	More Mischief (NY)	Alw	Dirt Fast	6.5 FurlC C Brown	3/1#	P		3.8	2.3
12	05-27-2019	5th race	1	Fifty Five (NY)	        Stakes	Turf Good	1 M	C C Brown	1/1#	W	3.1	2.6	2.1
13	05-27-2019	5th race	7	Lovely La La (NY)	Stakes	Turf Good	1 M	C C Brown	12/1#				
14	05-27-2019	7th race	4	Kathryn the Wise (NY)	Stakes	Dirt Fast	1 M	C C Brown	8/5#	W	6.3	3.7	2.5
15	05-27-2019	8th race	3	Offering Plan (NY)	Stakes	Turf Good	1 M	C C Brown	6/5#	S			2.1
16	05-30-2019	3rd race	3	Dunbar Road (KY)	Alw	Dirt Good	1 1/16M	C C Brown	3/5#	W	2.7	2.1	2.1
17	05-30-2019	3rd race	4	South of the Shore (KY)	Alw	Dirt Good	1 1/16M	C C Brown	4/1#	P		4.4	2.8
18	05-30-2019	7th race	7	Smooth With a Kick (KY)	Mdn SpclDirt Sloppy	1 1/16M	C C Brown	5/2#	S			2.5
19	06-01-2019	2nd race	1	Cafe Americano (KY)	Alw Op CTurf Good	1 1/8 M	C C Brown	8/5#	W	4.4	3.0	2.2
20	06-01-2019	4th race	5	Highest Honors (KY)	Mdn SpclDirt Fast	1 1/16M	C C Brown	1/1#	W	2.6	2.1	2.1
21	06-01-2019	8th race	1	Value Proposition (GB)	Stakes	Turf Good	1 1/8 M	C C Brown	5/2#				
22	06-01-2019	8th race	3	Demarchelier (GB)	Stakes	Turf Good	1 1/8 M	C C Brown	9/2#	W	12.4	6.0	3.0

ML Odds	      Strts	1st	2nds	3rds	Win %	Win $	Cost	Return	% Rtrn						
all odds	22	7	2	4	31.8%	$34.4	$44	$-9.6	-22%	
					
                                                WPS %	WPS $	Cost	Return	% Rtrn	Shw $
                                                59%	$94.3	$132	$-37.7	-29%	30.1

He tries with 10 today at Belmont before scratches interesting, his horses seem to be doing better on a wet surface

We had some rain in the Tri-State area last night I hope it all dries out by the 1st race

[bob60566]

And it is only early June

2019 STATISTICS*
Starts Firsts Seconds Thirds Earnings
268 82 50 36 $9,394,996


Must be the Feed that earns 31% win average this year. lol

[Racetrack Playa]

This was in the Asmussen thread ,
figured Id drop it here.



Posted by lex

:Now some kids want Chad Brown booted from speaking at a high school graduation.:

https://www.timesunion.com/news/arti...r-14056139.php


below is from the Times Union-

"When the teens brought their concerns to teachers and to the high school administration office, they said they were either ignored or told to respect Brown and mind their own business. No one will answer Bub's question as to who booked him as a speaker."


-sounds like some here.


"This makes me extremely uncomfortable that he will be giving us words of advice," said Bub, who plans on attending College in the fall to become a vet tech-

They are also mulling over a silent protest such as standing and turning their backs to Brown as he speaks.

[the little guy]

I know this thread is only for "evil Chad Brown" stories, so maybe I should have started a new thread for this article, but I figured, what the heck....


http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...om-chad-brown/

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by the little guy

I know this thread is only for "evil Chad Brown" stories, so maybe I should have started a new thread for this article, but I figured, what the heck....


http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...om-chad-brown/

Nobody said, anywhere in this topic, that people who break the law don't do some good things.

That doesn't excuse them breaking the law.

Maybe a topic called "law breakers who donate to charity".... that way they can be recognized for their philanthropic activities and tax breaks.

I remember when Ken Lay of Enron went down, how much many arts groups, scholarship funds and medical facilities missed getting the charitable contributions his company made....yes those contributions "did good".

I'm sure Mr. Brown cares a great deal for horses as well and the program at his former high school that involves horses and students there seems like a good match.

[o_crunk]

Mechanicville seniors upset by graduation speaker

Saying it sends a "very negative message," some graduating seniors at the city's high school are angry that the thoroughbred race horse trainer who underpaid his stable workers and has to pay $1.6 million in back wages and fines will deliver the keynote address at their commencement's ceremony on Saturday.

.....

This situation is further exacerbated as both teens oppose horse racing. Bub, who just spent two years in the WSWHE BOCES Horse Care program, said the class deepened her conviction that the sport of horse racing is cruel.

Do read the whole thing.

There's been a lot of the usual racing industry defenses for Brown - that paying workers is complicated and that hours are tough to keep track of. That different rates are paid at different tracks. And those *are* compelling defenses. But I've yet to hear a defense of how Brown's stable was charging back H2B's for their visas. That seems extraordinary to me and if it's as the government contends, it's a pretty bad look on his part and would seem to be deliberate short changing of his hired help.

[Tom]

Really good message for graduating kids - life is hard, take short cuts, breaks laws.

They have to be crazy to allow him to speak there.