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05-27-2019, 11:22 PM
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#106
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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Originally Posted by TheOracle
Doo Doo Brown now 3 for 15 since this post
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1 05-23-2019 4th race 1 Financial System (KY) Alw 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good
2 05-23-2019 4th race 1A Unleveraged (KY) Alw 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good W 2.9 2.1 2.1
3 05-23-2019 7th race 8 Morelikelythannot (KY) Mdn Spcl1 3/8 M C C Brown 4/1# Turf Good
4 05-24-2019 7th race 9 Chiclets Dream (NY) Alw 7 Furl C C Brown 5/2# Turf Firm S 2.2
5 05-24-2019 8th race 6 Too Cool to Dance (KY) Alw 1 1/8 M C C Brown 5/2# Turf Firm
6 05-25-2019 6th race 7 Positive Skew (KY) Alw 6 Furl C C Brown 7/2# Turf Firm
7 05-25-2019 9th race 2 Fog of War (KY) Stakes 7 Furl C C Brown 8/5# Turf Firm
8 05-26-2019 3rd race 2 Rumor Driven (NY) Alw 1 M C C Brown 1/1# Dirt Fast S 2.1
9 05-26-2019 6th race 6 Minsky Moment (NY) AOC 1 1/16M C C Brown 8/5# Dirt Fast
10 05-26-2019 9th race 7 Cyber Currency (NY) Mdn Spcl6.5 FurlC C Brown 3/1# Dirt Fast
11 05-27-2019 2nd race 1 More Mischief (NY) Alw 6.5 FurlC C Brown 3/1# Dirt Fast P 3.8 2.3
12 05-27-2019 5th race 1 Fifty Five (NY) Stakes 1 M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good W 3.1 2.6 2.1
13 05-27-2019 5th race 7 Lovely La La (NY) Stakes 1 M C C Brown 12/1# Turf Good
14 05-27-2019 7th race 4 Kathryn the Wise (NY) Stakes 1 M C C Brown 8/5# Dirt Fast W 6.3 3.7 2.5
15 05-27-2019 8th race 3 Offering Plan (NY) Stakes 1 M C C Brown 6/5# Turf Good S 2.1
Strts 1st 2nds 3rds Win % Win $ Cost Return % Return
C C Brown 15 3 1 3 20% $12.3 $30 $-17.7 -59%
WPS % WPS $ Cost Return % Return Shw $
46.6% $39.9 $90 $-50.1 -56% 15.4
Would be great to see all of the stable hands across the country under him go on strike
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He's won six of his last 25 including five stakes around the country. I think he'll be ok.
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06-04-2019, 12:24 PM
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#107
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Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 930
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Someday Silent
The next time someone whines about how "we just can't find Americans to doooo theeese jooooobssss"... well, Chad Brown is one of the reasons why.
$1.6 MILLION could feed, house, and insure alot of Americans.
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We need H2B visas for groom and hot walkers? And people wonder why populism is so obviously supported by Americans.
This is awful, I am sad this will conflict me on rooting or betting on his horses from now on. Damn.
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06-04-2019, 12:34 PM
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#108
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Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 930
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lamboguy
it certainly looks like its not that easy to run big operation like what Brown has.
according to the article, he signed a consent decree which is a tough way to travel going forward for sure. that explains why the fines and penalties were so low on this case. if this happened to me i would immediately retire from horse racing and go into something else that the government wouldn't have hanging over my head.
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I also don't want to be too sure or harsh because I'm sure this is complicated, but the problem is that the culture has become so bad over the years of spoiling the top guys (chamber of commerce types) with global labor, they now expect dirt cheap 3rd world prices for solid labor. It's one of the reasons why we have so many problems, and it's exacerbated by those who make "capitalism" an idol. I'm a huge markets guy but this kind of stuff is what makes having a country meaningless. If you want global labor but people have differing currencies and standards of living, it's not fair to call that "competition" to the local area. It's the same argument as idolizing "free trade" which is Chamber of Commerce BS so they can sweatshop people and sell it back to us in the US for 10 or 100-fold the price it would otherwise be.
If you have any delusions about this being the way "business" people think, just listen to Mark Cuban on Shark Tank. He's a clear example, unabashed of how brazen these types still are. They don't even care about throwing it in your face.
Last edited by LemonSoupKid; 06-04-2019 at 12:35 PM.
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06-04-2019, 07:43 PM
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#109
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Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 518
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Originally Posted by LemonSoupKid
I also don't want to be too sure or harsh because I'm sure this is complicated, but the problem is that the culture has become so bad over the years of spoiling the top guys (chamber of commerce types) with global labor, they now expect dirt cheap 3rd world prices for solid labor. It's one of the reasons why we have so many problems, and it's exacerbated by those who make "capitalism" an idol. I'm a huge markets guy but this kind of stuff is what makes having a country meaningless. If you want global labor but people have differing currencies and standards of living, it's not fair to call that "competition" to the local area. It's the same argument as idolizing "free trade" which is Chamber of Commerce BS so they can sweatshop people and sell it back to us in the US for 10 or 100-fold the price it would otherwise be.
If you have any delusions about this being the way "business" people think, just listen to Mark Cuban on Shark Tank. He's a clear example, unabashed of how brazen these types still are. They don't even care about throwing it in your face.
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He's just an example of somebody not bright enough to comprehend the effects of 'free trade' on a domestic/importing population. All the dude has is profits in mind and for him, 'free trade' doesn't affect anything but his bottom line. It's sad to watch tbh, history won't be kind to people like him
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06-04-2019, 09:13 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,787
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So has Chadsy paid all his employees, and us taxpayers yet?
Or is he still playing dumb?
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06-04-2019, 09:51 PM
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#111
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Join Date: Aug 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LemonSoupKid
(chamber of commerce types)
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Ha. Yes. I know the type. I lived in a town like that, where the only thing the top Chamber of Commerce people did was make things better for themselves ( their rental vacation cabins, their car dealerships, their sweatshops, etc. ) ------ while the rest of the town remained seriously economically depressed because they kept out any and every company that wanted to come in from the outside with jobs for the townsfolk. The townsfolks remained a captive audience ( with small paychecks) for the chamber-of-commerce people who ran and owned every business in town. (and were on all the boards like the economic development committees, etc. too).
I waited 17 years for that to change, but it never did, and it never will, unless these people just die off, but then they taught their kids the same value system, so they will just take over where mom n' dad left off. I"m sure there are many small Southern towns like this.
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06-05-2019, 05:55 PM
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#112
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GARY
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,339
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Chad Brown
uncertain if this part of the equation has been discussed, but:
If these employees were not paid ,and taxes were filed stating they were paid ,i believe both the trainer and accountant(s) committed fraud and could face heavy penalties from the IRS,massive litigation from the employees,possibly even jail time.
Based upon the information stated , the proper action would be for all tracks
to suspend Chad Brown until this matter is clarified.
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06-06-2019, 08:22 AM
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#114
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Join Date: Oct 2014
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Doo Doo Brown 7 for 22 at Belmont since the fine
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1 05-23-2019 4th race 1 Financial System (KY) Alw Turf Good 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1#
2 05-23-2019 4th race 1A Unleveraged (KY) Alw Turf Good 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1# W 2.9 2.1 2.1
3 05-23-2019 7th race 8 Morelikelythannot (KY) Mdn SpclTurf Good 1 3/8 M C C Brown 4/1#
4 05-24-2019 7th race 9 Chiclets Dream (NY) Alw Turf Firm 7 Furl C C Brown 5/2# S 2.2
5 05-24-2019 8th race 6 Too Cool to Dance (KY) Alw Turf Firm 1 1/8 M C C Brown 5/2#
6 05-25-2019 6th race 7 Positive Skew (KY) Alw Turf Firm 6 Furl C C Brown 7/2#
7 05-25-2019 9th race 2 Fog of War (KY) Stakes Turf Firm 7 Furl C C Brown 8/5#
8 05-26-2019 3rd race 2 Rumor Driven (NY) Alw Dirt Fast 1 M C C Brown 1/1# S 2.1
9 05-26-2019 6th race 6 Minsky Moment (NY) Alw Op CDirt Fast 1 1/16M C C Brown 8/5#
10 05-26-2019 9th race 7 Cyber Currency (NY) Mdn SpclDirt Fast 6.5 FurlC C Brown 3/1#
11 05-27-2019 2nd race 1 More Mischief (NY) Alw Dirt Fast 6.5 FurlC C Brown 3/1# P 3.8 2.3
12 05-27-2019 5th race 1 Fifty Five (NY) Stakes Turf Good 1 M C C Brown 1/1# W 3.1 2.6 2.1
13 05-27-2019 5th race 7 Lovely La La (NY) Stakes Turf Good 1 M C C Brown 12/1#
14 05-27-2019 7th race 4 Kathryn the Wise (NY) Stakes Dirt Fast 1 M C C Brown 8/5# W 6.3 3.7 2.5
15 05-27-2019 8th race 3 Offering Plan (NY) Stakes Turf Good 1 M C C Brown 6/5# S 2.1
16 05-30-2019 3rd race 3 Dunbar Road (KY) Alw Dirt Good 1 1/16M C C Brown 3/5# W 2.7 2.1 2.1
17 05-30-2019 3rd race 4 South of the Shore (KY) Alw Dirt Good 1 1/16M C C Brown 4/1# P 4.4 2.8
18 05-30-2019 7th race 7 Smooth With a Kick (KY) Mdn SpclDirt Sloppy 1 1/16M C C Brown 5/2# S 2.5
19 06-01-2019 2nd race 1 Cafe Americano (KY) Alw Op CTurf Good 1 1/8 M C C Brown 8/5# W 4.4 3.0 2.2
20 06-01-2019 4th race 5 Highest Honors (KY) Mdn SpclDirt Fast 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1# W 2.6 2.1 2.1
21 06-01-2019 8th race 1 Value Proposition (GB) Stakes Turf Good 1 1/8 M C C Brown 5/2#
22 06-01-2019 8th race 3 Demarchelier (GB) Stakes Turf Good 1 1/8 M C C Brown 9/2# W 12.4 6.0 3.0
ML Odds Strts 1st 2nds 3rds Win % Win $ Cost Return % Rtrn
all odds 22 7 2 4 31.8% $34.4 $44 $-9.6 -22%
WPS % WPS $ Cost Return % Rtrn Shw $
59% $94.3 $132 $-37.7 -29% 30.1
He tries with 10 today at Belmont before scratches interesting, his horses seem to be doing better on a wet surface
We had some rain in the Tri-State area last night I hope it all dries out by the 1st race
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06-06-2019, 10:46 AM
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#115
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Vancouver Island
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,747
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And it is only early June
2019 STATISTICS*
Starts Firsts Seconds Thirds Earnings
268 82 50 36 $9,394,996
Must be the Feed that earns 31% win average this year. lol
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06-28-2019, 11:43 AM
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#116
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Join Date: Dec 2013
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This was in the Asmussen thread ,
figured Id drop it here.
Posted by lex
:Now some kids want Chad Brown booted from speaking at a high school graduation.:
https://www.timesunion.com/news/arti...r-14056139.php
below is from the Times Union-
"When the teens brought their concerns to teachers and to the high school administration office, they said they were either ignored or told to respect Brown and mind their own business. No one will answer Bub's question as to who booked him as a speaker."
-sounds like some here.
"This makes me extremely uncomfortable that he will be giving us words of advice," said Bub, who plans on attending College in the fall to become a vet tech-
They are also mulling over a silent protest such as standing and turning their backs to Brown as he speaks.
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Last edited by Racetrack Playa; 06-28-2019 at 11:45 AM.
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06-28-2019, 01:01 PM
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#117
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Join Date: May 2004
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I know this thread is only for "evil Chad Brown" stories, so maybe I should have started a new thread for this article, but I figured, what the heck....
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...om-chad-brown/
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06-29-2019, 06:27 AM
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#118
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Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 3,641
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Originally Posted by the little guy
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Nobody said, anywhere in this topic, that people who break the law don't do some good things.
That doesn't excuse them breaking the law.
Maybe a topic called "law breakers who donate to charity".... that way they can be recognized for their philanthropic activities and tax breaks.
I remember when Ken Lay of Enron went down, how much many arts groups, scholarship funds and medical facilities missed getting the charitable contributions his company made....yes those contributions "did good".
I'm sure Mr. Brown cares a great deal for horses as well and the program at his former high school that involves horses and students there seems like a good match.
Last edited by clicknow; 06-29-2019 at 06:42 AM.
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06-29-2019, 08:26 AM
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#119
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 278
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Mechanicville seniors upset by graduation speaker
Saying it sends a "very negative message," some graduating seniors at the city's high school are angry that the thoroughbred race horse trainer who underpaid his stable workers and has to pay $1.6 million in back wages and fines will deliver the keynote address at their commencement's ceremony on Saturday.
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This situation is further exacerbated as both teens oppose horse racing. Bub, who just spent two years in the WSWHE BOCES Horse Care program, said the class deepened her conviction that the sport of horse racing is cruel.
Do read the whole thing.
There's been a lot of the usual racing industry defenses for Brown - that paying workers is complicated and that hours are tough to keep track of. That different rates are paid at different tracks. And those *are* compelling defenses. But I've yet to hear a defense of how Brown's stable was charging back H2B's for their visas. That seems extraordinary to me and if it's as the government contends, it's a pretty bad look on his part and would seem to be deliberate short changing of his hired help.
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06-29-2019, 11:39 AM
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#120
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The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
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Really good message for graduating kids - life is hard, take short cuts, breaks laws.
They have to be crazy to allow him to speak there.
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