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11-10-2022, 09:38 AM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Ignorant question time...
Say you vote early...by mail...
What stops you from walking into a polling place on election day and voting again?
Because I personally know of two people who did exactly that NY. Just to see if it could be done.
Thank you for your responses.
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11-10-2022, 09:47 AM
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what an easy game.
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Say you vote early...by mail...
What stops you from walking into a polling place on election day and voting again?
Because I personally know of two people who did exactly that NY. Just to see if it could be done.
Thank you for your responses.
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apparently, nothing. were both votes counted?
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11-10-2022, 09:53 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Western NY
Posts: 5,336
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Say you vote early...by mail...
What stops you from walking into a polling place on election day and voting again?
Because I personally know of two people who did exactly that NY. Just to see if it could be done.
Thank you for your responses.
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Did they mention who they voted for?
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11-10-2022, 09:59 AM
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what an easy game.
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 43,096
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googling
"THE QUESTION
How do election officials know a person voting on Election Day hasn’t already sent in a ballot through the mail?
THE ANSWER
While each state may do things slightly differently, generally election offices will check data to see if a person submitting a ballot has submitted one already.
Whichever ballot is logged into the system first is the person’s official ballot.
Attempting to vote twice, also called double voting, can come with harsh legal penalties."
further
What happens if someone votes by mail and then tries to …
In the event that a mail ballot has already been received and counted, voters are not allowed to cast a ballot in person. In the event that a mail ballot has not already been received and counted, states may: Allow voters to bring in their mail ballot. The mail ballot is then exchanged for an in-person ballot.
https://ballotpedia.org/What_happens_if_someone...
the key here they they may have successfully voted twice, but how many votes were counted.
perhaps there is a way of betting every horse in a race, then cancelling just the losing bets. 
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Peace on earth, good will to all
GOD BLESS AMERICA
" I pass with relief from the tossing sea of cause and theory to the firm ground of result and fact"
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11-10-2022, 10:01 AM
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Resurrectionist
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Cheyenne, Wy
Posts: 3,615
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It's now Thursday and no final results?
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11-10-2022, 10:13 AM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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There may be laws that say you can't do this...that's not what I'm asking.
I'm asking HOW DO WE KNOW their votes weren't counted twice?
How do the mail-in tabulators communicate with the in-person tabulators to say HEY, this person already voted.
When they hand me a ballot on election day and I fill it out and run it through the scanner, there is nothing on that ballot that identifies me.
As far as I can remember, after I told them who I was, what street I lived on (no ID required, of course) and they showed me my info on the screen and I said "yes, that's me" and digitally signed the screen, they handed me a ballot.
They didn't scan the ballot to associate that ballot with my name, as far as I remember.
So how does the counting machine know that ballot is from me? So that it can say to the mail-in tabulator, HEY, this person already voted...I better not count their vote...LMAO
Since this is like the racetrack industry, with every state having their own rules, you can see how corrupt the system can and actually probably IS.
The entire process is a joke with no ID requirements and no accountability and now massive MAIL-IN VOTING.
It's a fucking joke, and all of us are the butts of it.
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11-10-2022, 10:28 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
There may be laws that say you can't do this...that's not what I'm asking.
I'm asking HOW DO WE KNOW their votes weren't counted twice?
How do the mail-in tabulators communicate with the in-person tabulators to say HEY, this person already voted.
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Yes.
Mail in votes and in person votes are going to verified with voter rolls. Duplicates will be thrown out.
No election has been made official yet. Those take time.
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11-10-2022, 10:36 AM
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Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2022
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In order to vote by mail in NYS, you have to request an absentee ballot from your board of elections before an established deadline. If you've done that, there will be a record of your request associated with your name, and this request will be visible to election workers if you go to a polling place and sign-in.
By law in NYS, you're not allowed to use a voting machine at a polling place if you've requested an absentee ballot.
https://www.elections.ny.gov/VotingAbsentee.html
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
There may be laws that say you can't do this...that's not what I'm asking.
I'm asking HOW DO WE KNOW their votes weren't counted twice?
How do the mail-in tabulators communicate with the in-person tabulators to say HEY, this person already voted.
When they hand me a ballot on election day and I fill it out and run it through the scanner, there is nothing on that ballot that identifies me.
As far as I can remember, after I told them who I was, what street I lived on (no ID required, of course) and they showed me my info on the screen and I said "yes, that's me" and digitally signed the screen, they handed me a ballot.
They didn't scan the ballot to associate that ballot with my name, as far as I remember.
So how does the counting machine know that ballot is from me? So that it can say to the mail-in tabulator, HEY, this person already voted...I better not count their vote...LMAO
Since this is like the racetrack industry, with every state having their own rules, you can see how corrupt the system can and actually probably IS.
The entire process is a joke with no ID requirements and no accountability and now massive MAIL-IN VOTING.
It's a fucking joke, and all of us are the butts of it.
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11-10-2022, 11:48 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2010
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Here in Pa, you get both an email when your mail in ballot has been accepted, and also a physical mailing saying that you have voted, so you won't be accepted at the voting booth. When you walk in, they ask your name, look in the registration book, and check off that you're voting. If it shows you've voted by mail, it's a no-go.
I think we also have to sign the book when we're voting in person. My wife walks with a cane, and has trouble standing in lines for a long period, so we've voted by mail the last three elections.
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11-10-2022, 11:50 AM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,589
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Quote:
Originally Posted by formula_2002
apparently, nothing. were both votes counted?
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How would any of us know?
That's kind of the point...LOL
It's pretty much a FAITH-BASED system on the part of its participants. Which is remarkable.
And when people want to DIVE INTO the process after the fact (like after 2020), everyone gets SO UPSET...imagine being UPSET when people are looking to VERIFY the integrity of ELECTIONS.
Imagine...
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 11-10-2022 at 11:51 AM.
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11-10-2022, 11:55 AM
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what an easy game.
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 43,096
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
How would any of us know?
That's kind of the point...LOL
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since you raised the question, look into it, until you are satisfied with the answer, if that be possible in your trump world.
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Peace on earth, good will to all
GOD BLESS AMERICA
" I pass with relief from the tossing sea of cause and theory to the firm ground of result and fact"
Winston Churchill
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11-10-2022, 12:00 PM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,589
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Quote:
Originally Posted by formula_2002
since you raised the question, look into it, until you are satisfied with the answer, if that be possible in your trump world.
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actually, it's your trump world.
trump has no bearing on my life since he left office...although people like you make me laugh with your obsession...so I often will troll about it
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11-10-2022, 12:54 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: North Riverside, Il.
Posts: 16,103
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
There may be laws that say you can't do this...that's not what I'm asking.
I'm asking HOW DO WE KNOW their votes weren't counted twice?
How do the mail-in tabulators communicate with the in-person tabulators to say HEY, this person already voted.
When they hand me a ballot on election day and I fill it out and run it through the scanner, there is nothing on that ballot that identifies me.
As far as I can remember, after I told them who I was, what street I lived on (no ID required, of course) and they showed me my info on the screen and I said "yes, that's me" and digitally signed the screen, they handed me a ballot.
They didn't scan the ballot to associate that ballot with my name, as far as I remember.
So how does the counting machine know that ballot is from me? So that it can say to the mail-in tabulator, HEY, this person already voted...I better not count their vote...LMAO
Since this is like the racetrack industry, with every state having their own rules, you can see how corrupt the system can and actually probably IS.
The entire process is a joke with no ID requirements and no accountability and now massive MAIL-IN VOTING.
It's a fucking joke, and all of us are the butts of it.
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You’re messing with us, right? The election officials have the information that you received a ballot in the mail. Knowing that, they won’t even give you a ballot at the polling place. Whether you used that mail in ballot or not is irrelevant.
You may ask, what if I decide that I want to vote in person and not use the mail in ballot? As Formulator 2002 said bring your mail in ballot to the polling place and exchange it .
I would think that if you lost your mail in ballot, you could go to the polling place and they would give you a provisional ballot. Which would count only if the mail in ballot was never received.
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11-10-2022, 01:00 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: North Riverside, Il.
Posts: 16,103
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Say you vote early...by mail...
What stops you from walking into a polling place on election day and voting again?
Because I personally know of two people who did exactly that NY. Just to see if it could be done.
Thank you for your responses.
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Did they vote twice or did they attempt to vote twice? I notice you conveniently did not make that clear. In Illinois knowingly voting twice is a class III felony.
FYI here are the penalties for a Class 3 felony in various states. Hardly what I would risk for one extra vote.
Not surprisingly, the pre-set sentencing range for Class 3 felonies is more serious in the states where there are at least six felony classes. That includes 4 to 12 years in Colorado, up to 15 years in South Dakota, a maximum of 20 years in Nebraska and 5 to 20 years in Virginia. Illinois, which has only 4 felony classes, has a pre-set sentencing range of 2 to 5 years for Class 3 felonies. Each state varies on the maximum fine that can be included with a Class 3 felony sentence. The high is $750,000 in Colorado, followed by $150,000 in Arizona. The low is $25,000 in Illinois.
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Last edited by mostpost; 11-10-2022 at 01:05 PM.
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11-10-2022, 01:45 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 46,883
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Yes.
Mail in votes and in person votes are going to verified with voter rolls. Duplicates will be thrown out.
No election has been made official yet. Those take time.
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Go back and read CAREFULLY this time what PA said in his last post. While a voter's name is associated with the MAIL-IN ballot, there is, apparently, no such association with a person's identity when a person votes in person. Therefore, how can any election official know that a person didn't vote twice -- once by mail-in and then anonymously in person? It's akin to comparing apples with oranges.
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