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07-06-2020, 10:05 AM
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what an easy game.
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Need for a tote board data down load program
Years ago, I wrote a neat program that downloaded wps and exacta pool tote board data into my excell file. Since twinspires changed their format the program is no longer useful. I have been cutting and pasting the data from nyra into my excell file. I'm looking for a commercially available program that will do all that work for me. I'm too long in the tooth to write another program
Will appreciate any leads to a tote board wps an exacta down load program. I do my own calculations, I just need the data. Thanks
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07-06-2020, 03:48 PM
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I've seen some pretty sophisticated analyses from somebody using At The Races by Gary Pizzigati. This programmer did not want to reinvent the wheel when it came to downloading, parsing and futzing with tote data and found he could do a lot of interesting work on tote data with this program.
Web site = http://htr2.com/atr/at_the_races.htm
We are in no way associated with the program. And although you see "htr2" in the URL, this is not Ken Massa's program - I believe they share a web server and address. Just something worth checking out.
Ron Tiller
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07-06-2020, 04:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RonTiller
I've seen some pretty sophisticated analyses from somebody using At The Races by Gary Pizzigati. This programmer did not want to reinvent the wheel when it came to downloading, parsing and futzing with tote data and found he could do a lot of interesting work on tote data with this program.
Web site = http://htr2.com/atr/at_the_races.htm
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I second that.
For $100 per year and all the bells and whistles, I realized it was just not worth it to compete with ATR-Pro.
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07-06-2020, 05:53 PM
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what an easy game.
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Thank you both. It does look promising.
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07-07-2020, 08:34 AM
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what an easy game.
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looking forward to comparing atrpro bet sizes to mine.
I down loaded the manual but have yet to figure out how to import data into excel, butt I will eventual get. that's again for you lead.
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07-07-2020, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by formula_2002
looking forward to comparing atrpro bet sizes to mine.
I down loaded the manual but have yet to figure out how to import data into excel, butt I will eventual get. that's again for you lead.
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You can write to Gary Pizzagate and ask.
He's very helpful.
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07-09-2020, 10:15 AM
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what an easy game.
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Brillant program. Gives me an opportunity to compare my results with atrpro.i'll be pulling back the curtain on his exacta play by comparing our results. Should be fun. I'll post results here after 50 races.
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07-10-2020, 08:19 AM
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what an easy game.
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SOME BETTING INFORMATION
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07-10-2020, 10:51 AM
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what an easy game.
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Code:
live demo my win pick is #1
UK Market Rasen Race 8Post Time: 10:49 am FORMULA'S KEY TO THE MINT EXACTA BOARD BET SIZES AS % OF BANK ROLL PROBABILITY 66% PICKS>>>> 1 6 2
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
1 0 20 4 2 3 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 55
2 13 13
3 1 1
4 0 0
5 1 1
6 17 17
7 0 0
8 0 0
9 0 0
10 0 0
11 0 0
12 0 0
13 0 0
14 0 0
15 0 0
16 0 0
32 20 4 2 3 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 86.89
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07-10-2020, 11:13 AM
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what an easy game.
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5/8 won , so I would want to compare my5/8 exacta play to atrpro, but unfortunately, in this case my only play with the 5 winning was the 5/1 combination. so I was not able to make the results to atrpro.
regardless, the play is a loss for me. my win pick horse #1 lost
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07-10-2020, 11:36 AM
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what an easy game.
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my win pick is #1. hope for a comparison
Code:
UK Musselburg Race 6Post Time: 11:34 am FORMULA'S KEY TO THE MINT EXACTA BOARD BET SIZES AS % OF BANK ROLL PROBABILITY 63% PICKS>>>> 12 2 1
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
1 35 35
2 103 103
3 4 4
4 8 8
5 3 3
6 12 12
7 4 4
8 4 4
9 1 1
10 27 27
11 38 38
12 102 274 15 29 12 39 14 15 5 75 87 0 0 0 0 0 666
13 0 0
14 0 0
15 0 0
16 0 0
102 274 15 29 12 39 14 15 5 75 87 238 0 0 0 0 904.07
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07-10-2020, 02:23 PM
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what an easy game.
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the 12/10 exacta won. my $1 row return was $1.74, the column $1.72
atrpro $1 row return and column return was $1.54
the straight win bet returned $2 on the dollar
I'll report back after I have some more races in hand.
in my best of days I could average 20 races a day, but integrating the atrpro takes a bit more time so gathering 50 races "could take a bit more time". 
I down load tote board data about 2 min or less to post, then I "stop" running the atrpro program
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07-10-2020, 07:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz
I second that.
For $100 per year and all the bells and whistles, I realized it was just not worth it to compete with ATR-Pro.
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It's certainly a nice approach to the tote board information.
But considering the difference in what I'm using that actually analyzes the money flow at specific betting intervals, my only comment is "You get what you Pay for".
Fortunately the program I use is no longer commercially available at any price.
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07-11-2020, 05:15 PM
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Wake Up
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Originally Posted by formula_2002
looking forward to comparing atrpro bet sizes to mine.
I down loaded the manual but have yet to figure out how to import data into excel, butt I will eventual get. that's again for you lead.
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07-12-2020, 11:28 AM
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what an easy game.
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I CONSTRUCTED THIS RESULTS FORMAT IN EXCEL YESTERDAY.
IT REPRENTS THE RESULTS FOR 5 RACES, 2 OF WHICH I WON 3 WON BY SOMEONE ELSE IF THEY USED MY PLACE PICK.
THE PERTERNENT DATA AS LISTED BELOW ARE IN THE "GREEN" CELLS.
THE TWO RACES I WON;
AN AVERAGE $1 STRAIGHT WIN BET RETURNED $4.30
MY KTTM $1 AVERAGE ROW RETURN WAS $5.19, THE COLUMN $4.89
THE ATRPRO AVERAGE $1 AVERAGE ROW RETURNED $4.52, THE COLUMN $4.49
THE THREE RACES SOMEONE ELSE WON USING MY PLACE HORSES.
AN AVERAGE $1 STRAIGHT WIN BET RETURNED $4.63
MY KTTM $1 AVERAGE ROW RETURN WAS $5.68, THE COLUMN $5.14.
THE ATRPRO AVERAGE $1 AVERAGE ROW RETURNED $5.66, THE COLUMN $4.36
COMMENTS:
FOR THE ROW AND OR COLUMN BETS, FOR KTTM OR ATRPRO TO HAVE VALUE, THEIR $1 RETURNS MUST EXCEED THE $1 STRAIGHT WIN BET, ELSE WHY BOTHER PLAYING THE EXACTA.
IN THIS EXTREMLY SMALL SAMPLE MY KTTM RETURNS EXCEED THE ATRPRO RETURNS
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