1984 has arrived in Florida and Ron DeSantis is Big Brother

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by OntheRail

You can't lose a case if you don't get a chance you present your case.... chicken shittedness by the Courts is not a an verdict.

Oh there is was plenty of evidence at the time and more now....

I take it you have not seen 2000 Mules.

Here... right from the head jackasses mouth...
https://youtu.be/WGRnhBmHYN0

Now deny Joe Briben said it.

With apologies to The Princess Bride.

You keep showing that video. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by mostpost

With apologies to The Princess Bride.

You keep showing that video. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Joe said it... 2000 Mules exposes it. Have you dared too watch it?

I bet not.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by mostpost

With apologies to The Princess Bride.

You keep showing that video. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Nice deflection.
Back to your original post.

Where in the posted text does it say anything about registering?
You and Kabbage Head posted tweets and stories, how somwactual facts?

Waiting...

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

sounds like it's only for Public Universities and that it will be anonymous (although the left will certainly push the angle that it MIGHT not be anonymous, whatever that means).

Funny how you leftists SHIT THE BED when someone on the right pushes the constitutional envelope, but GOD FORBID I say anything about all the CANCELLING that has been going on for YEARS based on political views (namely, MOSTLY CONSERVATIVES)...you guys have had ZERO problems with that...based on the lack of outcry here.

Have any Blue states passed similar laws? Gathering the information could be just the first step. How man conservatives have to accuse a liberal professor of bias before he loses his job?

I hear stories about conservative speakers being accosted on campus, but that is always by one or two individuals. Perhaps you can point me to an instance where a University has cancelled a mainstream conservative speaker.

[Jeff P]

So I Googled the phrase "University has cancelled a mainstream conservative speaker" without the quotes and here is page of the search results:

Student Protestors Try To SHUT DOWN Black Conservative ...
https://ne-np.facebook.com/michaelkn...related_videos

Apr 13, 2022 — The Left continues to try and scare conservatives into submission, but Michael Knowles will not be backing down from his upcoming speech on ...

Cal State Los Angeles cancels conservative speaker's ...
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...ers-appearance

Feb 24, 2016 — The president of California State University Los Angeles canceled a speech by controversial conservative writer and commentator Ben Shapiro ...

Missing: mainstream ‎| Must include: mainstream

A Violent Attack on Free Speech at Middlebury - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...olence/518667/

Mar 6, 2017 — Liberals must defend the right of conservative students to invite speakers of their choice, even if they find their views abhorrent.

The New American Revolution: The Making of a Populist Movement
https://books.google.com/books?id=M5...peaker&f=false

Kayleigh McEnany · 2019 · ‎Political Science
Academic silencing of conservative voices is indeed pervasive. ... is just one recorded incident in 2016 of a university canceling a left-wing speaker.

Holding Together: The Hijacking of Rights in America and How ...
https://books.google.com/books?id=t5...peaker&f=false

John Shattuck, ‎Sushma Raman, ‎Mathias Risse · 2022 · ‎Political Science
In an age in which breaking news is available instantaneously through social ... Middlebury College cancelled a visit from Ryszard Legutko, a conservative ...

Universities Are Still Stifling Conservative Speech | Opinion
https://www.newsweek.com/universitie...pinion-1676994

Feb 10, 2022 — Last week, Dartmouth University canceled a College Republicans event, citing threats from progressive groups.

Missing: mainstream ‎| Must include: mainstream

Is there a valid reason for university liberals to shut ...
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-val...ative-speakers

Yes, but as usual, Mr. Anonymous, it can be more complex than a simple yes or no

There are two types of public speakers invited to speak at universities:

1. Invited by the university
2. Invited by student groups

In the first instance, the university sees it as important to invite speakers who have a certain experience or knowledge on a subject that will be enlightening to the students. A university would be unlikely to invite those on the extreme end of any spectrum on purpose unless the speaker had some very interesting take on a subject.

The fall of Milo Yiannopoulos, explained - Vox
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...edophilia-tape

Feb 21, 2017 — Milo Yiannopoulos finally went too far for conservatives. On Monday, he lost his book deal, and his speech at the 2017 Conservative Political ...

List of Disinvited Speakers at Colleges - Business Insider
https://www.businessinsider.com/list...olleges-2016-7

Student activism has long been ingrained in the culture of college campuses, but protests about perceived discrimination over the past year have been especially tense.

These issues have been so pervasive at colleges that Barack Obama, Clarence Thomas, and Michael Bloomberg all warned about political correctness gone awry and the dangers of limiting free speech during their respective commencement speeches.

The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), a nonprofit organization dedicated to protecting civil liberties in higher education, agrees.

"One worrisome trend undermining open discourse in the academy is the increased push by some students and faculty to 'disinvite' speakers with whom they disagree from campus appearances," FIRE wrote on its website.

"While most noticeable around commencement season due to the high-profile status of many commencement speakers, disinvitations occur all year — and have been steadily increasing over the past 15 years," FIRE continued.

Apparently, FIRE (mentioned in the Business Insider article immediately above) tracks Campus Disinvitation Attempts in a database.

Link to page 21 showing the most recent entries for 2022 here:
https://www.thefire.org/research/dis...view_2_page=21



-jp

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[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by mostpost

I hear stories about conservative speakers being accosted on campus, but that is always by one or two individuals. Perhaps you can point me to an instance where a University has cancelled a mainstream conservative speaker.

Do you consider George Will mainstream? In 2020 Princeton didn't "cancel" him, it merely disallowed one of its student organizations from inviting him to speak.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Jeff P

So I Googled the phrase "University has cancelled a mainstream conservative speaker" without the quotes and here is page of the search results:

Student Protestors Try To SHUT DOWN Black Conservative ...
https://ne-np.facebook.com/michaelkn...related_videos

The students in that video look anything but violent. They look like people protesting an offensive speaker. Allen West is an offensive person. As a member of the military he engaged in torture against prisoners.
Cal State Los Angeles cancels conservative speaker's ...
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...ers-appearance

Missing: mainstream ‎| Must include: mainstream

The administration at Cal State was willing to have Shapiro speak, but insisted that there be other speakers to balance his rhetoric. Shapiro naturally objected.
A Violent Attack on Free Speech at Middlebury - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...olence/518667/


The New American Revolution: The Making of a Populist Movement
https://books.google.com/books?id=M5...peaker&f=false


Holding Together: The Hijacking of Rights in America and How ...
https://books.google.com/books?id=t5...peaker&f=false


Universities Are Still Stifling Conservative Speech | Opinion
https://www.newsweek.com/universitie...pinion-1676994

Missing: mainstream ‎| Must include: mainstream

Is there a valid reason for university liberals to shut ...
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-val...ative-speakers



The fall of Milo Yiannopoulos, explained - Vox
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...edophilia-tape


List of Disinvited Speakers at Colleges - Business Insider
https://www.businessinsider.com/list...olleges-2016-7



Apparently, FIRE (mentioned in the Business Insider article immediately above) tracks Campus Disinvitation Attempts in a database.

Link to page 21 showing most recent entries for 2022 here:
https://www.thefire.org/research/dis...view_2_page=21


-jp

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Spewers of race hate. Election deniers. Purveyors of anti vaccine and anti science misinformation and disinformation. Homophobic and transphobic. Facsist former military. These are the people who have been prevented from speaking. As well they should.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Have any Blue states passed similar laws? Gathering the information could be just the first step. How man conservatives have to accuse a liberal professor of bias before he loses his job?

I hear stories about conservative speakers being accosted on campus, but that is always by one or two individuals. Perhaps you can point me to an instance where a University has cancelled a mainstream conservative speaker.

FOUL ON THE PLAY

Your original post'saccusations can't be used in any arguement UNTIL YOU PROVE IT.

Where is the proof that people are being forced to register their political affiliation?

There is nothing in the text that says this is true. The examples Jepp posted show ehy this law, as presented is needed.

Still waiting, hcap, err, mostie. Tick tock.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Spewers of race hate. Election deniers. Purveyors of anti vaccine and anti science misinformation and disinformation. Homophobic and transphobic. Facsist former military. These are the people who have been prevented from speaking. As well they should.

No, no, none of those cancelled were democrats.
You got a real problem of lying here.

I think YOU should be banned from here for spreadibg disinformation.

[Jeff P]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Spewers of race hate. Election deniers. Purveyors of anti vaccine and anti science misinformation and disinformation. Homophobic and transphobic. Facsist former military. These are the people who have been prevented from speaking. As well they should.

Careful what you wish for.

Throughout recorded history censorship has ALWAYS been a slippery slope.

In 1633 Galileo was forced into a heresy interrogation by The Church for writing that the Earth revolved around the Sun:
https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/t...atholic-church

...by the practice of the time, Galileo’s guilty plea, which denied actual belief in the heresy, triggered an automatic examination of his private beliefs under torture, a new procedure adopted by the church around the turn of the 17th century. Galileo was never tortured, however. The pope decreed that the interrogation should stop short with the mere threat of torture. This was a routine kind of limitation for people of advanced age and ill health like Galileo, and it should not be attributed to the influence of the scientist’s supporters.

Ultimately, Galileo’s book was banned, and he was sentenced to a light regimen of penance and imprisonment at the discretion of church inquisitors. After one day in prison, his punishment was commuted to “villa arrest” for the rest of his life. He died in 1642.

In my opinion:

The Spanish Inquisition is literally what the framers of the Constitution were trying to prevent when they wrote the First Amendment:

First Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

A repeat of the Spanish Inquisition is literally where we are headed if we cast aside the First Amendment.

Here's the difference between you and I:

I might disagree with everything you say.

But I really would lay down my life for my country and defend to the death your right to say it.

The First Amendment is that important.




-jp

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[mostpost]

prohibiting specified entities from
17 shielding students, faculty, or staff from certain
18 speech;

Define “Certain speech”. What it sounds like is there would be no problem for Donald Trump to come in and talk about phony election fraud claims, or Proud Boys to come in and speak about violence by BLM.

ON the other hand, Florida already has a law about publicly identifying as gay or transgender. And teaching Critical Race Theory is also Verboten.

This so called diversity is really only for specific ideas.

b) The Board of Governors shall require each state
88 university to conduct an annual assessment of the intellectual
89 freedom and viewpoint diversity at that institution. The Board
90 of Governors shall select or create an objective, nonpartisan,
91 and statistically valid survey to be used by each state
92 university which considers the extent to which competing ideas
93 and perspectives are presented and members of the university
94 community, including students, faculty, and staff, feel free to
95 express their beliefs and viewpoints on campus and in the
96 classroom.

Apparently this law considers all ideas to be of equal value. The fellow who thinks intelligence is determined genetically and blacks are intellectually inferior to whites is as welcome as the person who advocates higher taxes for the wealthy-maybe more welcome. The person who wishes to restrict a woman’s right to choose will be as welcome, or more, than someone who believes Black Lives really do matter.
And who decides whether the survey the Board of Governors creates really is objective, nonpartisan, and statistically valid. Who guarantees that it is anonymous. What happens to people, professors or students who refuse to participate. How do you guarantee respondents will answer honestly?

[classhandicapper]

Supposedly, this story may not even be true. I mentioned that as a possibility earlier in the thread. It appears it may be an old recycled fake news story.

[classhandicapper]

or Proud Boys to come in and speak about violence by BLM.

Not that I know anything about the Proud Boys, but why shouldn't people be able to criticize an organization with Marxist leanings that HAS been violent.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Spewers of race hate. Election deniers. Purveyors of anti vaccine and anti science misinformation and disinformation. Homophobic and transphobic. Facsist former military. These are the people who have been prevented from speaking. As well they should.

Oh look...you were wrong...again...shocking