TX elementary school mass shooting

[azeri98]

Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer

doesnt matter the people that wrote it knew guns would advance beyond what they had in those days and they wrote to include anything in the future period.

Wasn't there several countries that took firearms from the citizens for the betterment of their society? How did that work out for the citiznes?

The United States has 31% of the mass shooting in the world with only 5% of the world's population. Gun zealots will tell you it's about mental health. Either the states has an inordinate amount of mentally ill people or too many guns

[azeri98]

Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer

how do you know that?

Waco and Ruby Ridge are good examples

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by green80

Or a shotgun with 00 buckshot, you have 12 approx.9mm pellets in one shot. 3 fast shots and you have 36 9mm pellets covering the area, not much aiming required.

I've been making this very point on this forum for years, except with #4 buckshot, with 63 projectiles of 6mm.

In close, confined quarters -- like a classroom -- there is nothing more devastating. In World War 1, Germany declared that any American soldier captured with the Winchester 1897 pump-action 12 gauge shotgun in his possession would be executed, claiming that the shotgun violated the Geneva conventions.

Although most of the media downplayed it, both the Columbine and Aurora, CO shooters included shotguns in their arsenals, the latter shooter beginning his rampage with one, to do as much damage as quickly as possible.

The point is that for close, confined quarters there are equally lethal alternatives readily and cheaply available if you ban a killer's preferred option.

[azeri98]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The only killing machine involved here is the finger on the trigger. How many people are killed in car accidents in this country in a year? Why does no one ever refer to automobiles as killing machines?

Because they aren't going out with intention to kill. They are called accidents, just like when a 7 year old shoots and kills his 4 year old brother by accident with his dad's gun.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by azeri98

Because they aren't going out with intention to kill.

How many gun owners in this country are "going out with intention to kill"?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by azeri98

Like at Waco and Ruby Ridge? They both had a lot of weapons when the government came for them and a lot of them were killed. If the government comes for you the chances or you surviving if you fight are very low. If you're lucky you end up in jail for the rest of your life. I'm not saying what the government does is right but if you're in their crosshairs it's pretty well over.

Canada ranks high on the list of number of guns per people...yes, NO COUNTRY tops the USA...but Canada is right up there near the top of the list in the worldwide rankings.

Where does Canada rank in terms of gun violence and murders?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by azeri98

No. Citizens shouldn't have weapons that the military uses to inflict the most amount of damage in the least amount of time.

As far as I know, there is no military in the world using the AR-15.

What weapon are you talking about?

[jimmyb]

The government getting out of the mental health business hasn't helped. Massachusetts has to pay for the double and triple dipping politicians somehow.

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by azeri98

The United States has 31% of the mass shooting in the world with only 5% of the world's population. Gun zealots will tell you it's about mental health. Either the states has an inordinate amount of mentally ill people or too many guns

You sure about that... I know it's a CNN... MSNBC talking point. But it's mis/disinformation. Facts below.

We are NOT the country with the most mass shootings per capita even among first-world countries. SOURCE:*WorldPopulationReview
The death rate per million, 2009-2015
1 - Norway 1.92
2- Serbia 0.43
3- Macedonia 0.3

The United States is 11th at 0.09!

We are NOT the country with the most violent crime. Murder rates per 100k from 2018. SOURCE: Statista
El Salvador 52
Jamaica 43
Lesotho 43
Honduras 38

Where does America land on this list? SOURCE: FBI.gov

LESS than 5 homicides/100k.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by azeri98

Because they aren't going out with intention to kill. They are called accidents, just like when a 7 year old shoots and kills his 4 year old brother by accident with his dad's gun.

A non sequitur. The fact of the matter is that guns and autos can kill people. And there's far more people killed by cars than by guns annually (well, maybe except in Chicago ). Therefore, why aren't leftists calling for auto control laws? Is it because lives lost by cars are less valuable than those lost by gunfire? Or is it because deaths by guns make for great political talking points to advance a political agenda? After all, do you think John Q. Citizen in China, Russia, No. Korea, Cuba or other totalitarian states possess firearms? Or is because no one thinks we have no "troubled people" driving their machines on the road?

Here's a clue for ya: This issue has never been about "gun control". This is just another convenient euphemism leftists use, such as framing abortions as a "pro choice" matter, as if those who choose to not have abortions had no choice. (But I digress; thanks for your indulgence.) The real issue is People Control. That's what it's about in communist countries and that's what it''s about in this country with all the sick, radical leftists we have in and out of public life.

[jimmyb]

Originally Posted by boxcar

A non sequitur. The fact of the matter is that guns and autos can kill people. And there's far more people killed by cars than by guns annually (well, maybe except in Chicago ). Therefore, why aren't leftists calling for auto control laws? Is it because lives lost by cars are less valuable than those lost by gunfire? Or is it because deaths by guns make for great political talking points to advance a political agenda? After all, do you think John Q. Citizen in China, Russia, No. Korea, Cuba or other totalitarian states possess firearms? Or is because no one thinks we have no "troubled people" driving their machines on the road?

Here's a clue for ya: This issue has never been about "gun control". This is just another convenient euphemism leftists use, such as framing abortions as a "pro choice" matter, as if those who choose to not have abortions had no choice. (But I digress; thanks for your indulgence.) The real issue is People Control. That's what it's about in communist countries and that's what it''s about in this country with all the sick, radical leftists we have in and out of public life.

and add to this 0ver 5000 deaths and 90,000 injuries annually from motorcycles. Where is the outrage?

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by boxcar

The real issue is People Control. That's what it's about in communist countries and that's what it''s about in this country with all the sick, radical leftists we have in and out of public life.

Exactly. It's the same mind set that tried to outlaw alcohol back in the day. Some people think that the majority are not smart enough to know what is good for them, and they need the elite (i.e., the left) to manage their lives for their own good. Then we can all live happily ever after.

[davew]

Originally Posted by OntheRail

You sure about that... I know it's a CNN... MSNBC talking point. But it's mis/disinformation. Facts below.

We are NOT the country with the most mass shootings per capita even among first-world countries. SOURCE:*WorldPopulationReview
The death rate per million, 2009-2015
1 - Norway 1.92
2- Serbia 0.43
3- Macedonia 0.3

The United States is 11th at 0.09!

We are NOT the country with the most violent crime. Murder rates per 100k from 2018. SOURCE: Statista
El Salvador 52
Jamaica 43
Lesotho 43
Honduras 38

Where does America land on this list? SOURCE: FBI.gov

LESS than 5 homicides/100k.

COME ON MAN, people from those places are entering our country now across the 'closed' southern border.

Now the Demoncrats have something to get donations with and for the next election cycle. Of course common sense legislation could solve many problems that they do not want to solve.

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