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07-17-2021, 05:56 PM
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stretch spill in Haskell (Merged: Haskell DQ)
Paco down hard in tight quarters in the stretch. Carried off on a stretcher.
Hot Rod Charlie, the winner, taken down quickly.
Paco's horse got up and ran off, seemingling ok.
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07-17-2021, 05:58 PM
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Haskell DQ
Hot Rod Charlie....First to last
Okay, bring it on whip guys. Now is your chnce to say no whip caused the drift.
Lets hope Paco is okay
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07-17-2021, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Hot Rod Charlie....First to last
Okay, bring it on whip guys. Now is your chnce to say no whip caused the drift.
Lets hope Paco is okay
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The whip may or may not have made a difference this time, but something like this is exactly why jockeys won't ride there. Hopefully it won't take someone dying for them to change the stupid rule.
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07-17-2021, 06:08 PM
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Prat goes to the left hand for sure in that situation and the DQ never happens. Hope all are OK
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07-17-2021, 06:08 PM
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Not sure about the "no whip" because there was no attempt to turn the head back out.
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07-17-2021, 06:15 PM
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Mandaloun chopped off Following Sea worse then HRC on MB, guess it was just luck on MB going down and FS staying up.
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07-17-2021, 06:40 PM
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Horse should have been Dq'd, Prat should get a long suspension and fine and that's that.
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07-17-2021, 06:52 PM
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I'm a big fan of Charlie, a true brawler, but he had to come down.
Glad to hear Paco and Bourbon are okay.
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07-17-2021, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by camourous
Horse should have been Dq'd, Prat should get a long suspension and fine and that's that.
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Why should he get a long suspension when he didn't have every available option open to him. Jockeys instinctively know to whip the horse left handed when they drift in, he didn't get the chance.
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07-17-2021, 07:01 PM
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Not sure about the "no whip" because there was no attempt to turn the head back out.
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When you turn the head back you lose a little momentum and that is where the whip comes into play to get the horse moving full speed again. That couldn't have happened in this case. He made the right decision in terms of trying to win the race, unfortunately Midnight Bourbon went down. Had he yanked the horse's head he would have lost the race.
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07-17-2021, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by zico20
When you turn the head back you lose a little momentum and that is where the whip comes into play to get the horse moving full speed again. That couldn't have happened in this case. He made the right decision in terms of trying to win the race, unfortunately Midnight Bourbon went down. Had he yanked the horse's head he would have lost the race.
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I didn't say anything about "yanking the horse's head". His own head was facing the dirt all through the stretch. If he had been situationally aware, he could have kept his horse straight. He probably thought he'd cleared the other horse and moved him towards the rail.
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07-17-2021, 07:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by camourous
Horse should have been Dq'd, Prat should get a long suspension and fine and that's that.
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Haven't been following Monmouth, but (if I'm reading Equibase stats correctly) it looks like this was Prat's first day riding at Monmouth this year.
I'd be concerned with out-of-town jockeys shipping in with no experience riding whip-less.
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07-17-2021, 07:37 PM
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07-17-2021, 07:50 PM
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Dont the jockeys have a riding crop, or something like that, they're supposed to use in these situation?
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07-17-2021, 08:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redboard
Dont the jockeys have a riding crop, or something like that, they're supposed to use in these situation?
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I don’t bother following it but I think that’s optional and many don’t carry for fear of getting crap after the fact. Of course, today I bet a double involving the Haskell and regretted it after watching that. But that was a bad situation because it was obvious he wasn’t clear when he came in. It was a total clip job. Plus, a competitive horse like this one probably shifted by instinct to eyeball the leader. That’s why I thought all along if the jockeys don’t like the new rule, it’s probably a bad rule. The thing is using a whip to get that horse to not come in (lean on the competition) for a few more strides is the most humane thing for everyone out there. Like I said , I’m not a jockey but an educated guess tells me that a good portion of them think this new rule is dumb and ……… dangerous. Something like that will make them think twice, even on the big money days. Riders see something like that, the money doesn’t matter .
Last edited by burnsy; 07-17-2021 at 08:19 PM.
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