The coronavirus

[Tom]

What happens when te factlees collide with the witless?

I have no clue!

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by davew

were you practicing medicine in 1918 before antibiotics were invented or repeating hearsay?

At that time CYTOKINE Storms were unknown to them and THAT pathology alone killed hundreds.

FROM WIKI and a myriad of other sites: It is believed that cytokine storms were responsible for the disproportionate number of healthy young adult deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide. In this case, a healthy immune system may have been a liability rather than an asset. Preliminary research results from Taiwan also indicated this as the probable reason for many deaths during the SARS epidemic in 2003.Human deaths from the bird flu H5N1 usually involve cytokine storms as well. Cytokine storm has also been implicated in hantavirus pulmonary syndrome.

Also: During the COVID-19 pandemic, some doctors attributed many deaths to cytokine storms. A cytokine storm can cause the severe symptoms of acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), which has a high mortality rate in COVID-19 patients.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...e-covid-deaths

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294426/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4711683/

quote: In the event of influenza infection, the severity of disease is the result of the interplay between viral virulence and host resistance. In mild infection, the host has a limited or moderate resistance, so the disrupted homeostasis is restored rapidly. However, for infections caused by the 1918 H1N1 or the H5N1 influenzas virus, the resistance became hyperactive, resulting in an excessive inflammatory reaction known as the cytokine storm phenomenon.

Be informed before opening yourself up to your obvious ultracrepidarian status

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

MISINFORMED yet again as there were TWO seminars and it had to do with some clown thinking he OWNED the Sartin methodology and tried to raise trouble about what was, by then, COMMOM knowledge.

For my second seminar I was required to sign a waiver that I was NOT going to talk about copyrighted material, even though the former methods I reviewed, superficially only, were NEVER copyrighted in Canada.

Again the ignorant make it up as they go along FACTLESS making accusations that are meaningless and fiction

At the time of the incident you were an employee of the racetrack.

YouTube

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by fast4522

At the time of the incident you were an employee of the racetrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UR42poPhxY

No a private contractor invited to speak by the educational director

You folks constantly ASSUME you know the truth and are continually misinformed

[46zilzal]

What does presentation of a handicapping seminar have to do with causes of death from the 1918 pandemic and the pathology behind the deaths?

[xtb]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

At that time CYTOKINE Storms were unknown to them and THAT pathology alone killed hundreds.

FROM WIKI and a myriad of other sites: It is believed that cytokine storms were responsible for the disproportionate number of healthy young adult deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide. In this case, a healthy immune system may have been a liability rather than an asset. Preliminary research results from Taiwan also indicated this as the probable reason for many deaths during the SARS epidemic in 2003.Human deaths from the bird flu H5N1 usually involve cytokine storms as well. Cytokine storm has also been implicated in hantavirus pulmonary syndrome.

Also: During the COVID-19 pandemic, some doctors attributed many deaths to cytokine storms. A cytokine storm can cause the severe symptoms of acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), which has a high mortality rate in COVID-19 patients.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...e-covid-deaths

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294426/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4711683/

quote: In the event of influenza infection, the severity of disease is the result of the interplay between viral virulence and host resistance. In mild infection, the host has a limited or moderate resistance, so the disrupted homeostasis is restored rapidly. However, for infections caused by the 1918 H1N1 or the H5N1 influenzas virus, the resistance became hyperactive, resulting in an excessive inflammatory reaction known as the cytokine storm phenomenon.

Be informed before opening yourself up to your obvious ultracrepidarian status

Since cytokine inflammation is a large component of malaria deaths, and hydroxychloroquine is a successful treatment of malaria, wouldn't it seem that there is some merit to treating covid-19 with hydroxychloroquine?

Despite what you say, there is strong evidence that hydroxychloroquine is effective in treating covid-19.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

New cases of Covid-19 in the US, fueled by the highly transmissible Delta variant, have surged by 70% in a week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Friday, to more than 26,300 a day.

Cases were rising in 48 states and stagnant in the other two, the CDC said. Four states, California, Florida, Missouri and Texas, were responsible for 46% of the new cases, with one in five coming in Florida.

“This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” the CDC’s director, Dr Rochelle Walensky, said on Friday, noting that only 48.5% of US adults were fully vaccinated, and that 99.5% of new hospitalizations from Covid-19 were people who had not received a shot.

from https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-social-media

I BLAME THE BIDEN/HARRIS administration for PAINTING TOO ROSY A PICTURE of the COVID SITUATION for POLITICAL PURPOSES.

Imagine LIFTING MASK MANDATES FOR VACCINATED PEOPLE? Like they did a few months ago?

THEY ARE NOW KILLERS.

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE DYING. THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT GETTING VOTES.

Hope this backfires on them.

BLAME BIDEN!

The BLAME ALWAYS RESTS WITH POTUS!

[davew]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

At that time CYTOKINE Storms were unknown to them and THAT pathology alone killed hundreds.

FROM WIKI and a myriad of other sites: It is believed that cytokine storms were responsible for the disproportionate number of healthy young adult deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide. In this case, a healthy immune system may have been a liability rather than an asset. Preliminary research results from Taiwan also indicated this as the probable reason for many deaths during the SARS epidemic in 2003.Human deaths from the bird flu H5N1 usually involve cytokine storms as well. Cytokine storm has also been implicated in hantavirus pulmonary syndrome.

Also: During the COVID-19 pandemic, some doctors attributed many deaths to cytokine storms. A cytokine storm can cause the severe symptoms of acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), which has a high mortality rate in COVID-19 patients.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...e-covid-deaths

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294426/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4711683/

quote: In the event of influenza infection, the severity of disease is the result of the interplay between viral virulence and host resistance. In mild infection, the host has a limited or moderate resistance, so the disrupted homeostasis is restored rapidly. However, for infections caused by the 1918 H1N1 or the H5N1 influenzas virus, the resistance became hyperactive, resulting in an excessive inflammatory reaction known as the cytokine storm phenomenon.

Be informed before opening yourself up to your obvious ultracrepidarian status

'it is believed' science again?

is it wrong to say no one knows for sure? or is this 'settled science' dimwit dogma?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by xtb

Since cytokine inflammation is a large component of malaria deaths, and hydroxychloroquine is a successful treatment of malaria, wouldn't it seem that there is some merit to treating covid-19 with hydroxychloroquine?

Despite what you say, there is strong evidence that hydroxychloroquine is effective in treating covid-19.

.

[Tom]

Also: During the COVID-19 pandemic, some doctors attributed many deaths to cytokine storms. A cytokine storm can cause the severe symptoms of acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), which has a high mortality rate in COVID-19 patients.

But those deaths were counted as Covid deaths, incorrectly.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by xtb

Since cytokine inflammation is a large component of malaria deaths, and hydroxychloroquine is a successful treatment of malaria, wouldn't it seem that there is some merit to treating covid-19 with hydroxychloroquine?

Despite what you say, there is strong evidence that hydroxychloroquine is effective in treating covid-19.

FAULTY LOGIC ....TOTALLY differing pathologies

[xtb]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

FAULTY LOGIC ....TOTALLY differing pathologies

Of course, so an effective drug against cytokine inflammation can’t possibly work against cytokine inflammation from another cause.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by xtb

Of course.

Malaria is an infestation of larvae from mosquitoes. While patents DO show some flu like symptoms, it is from an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT reason.

Covid is a VIRUS, and INTERCELLULAR pathogen

Hydroxychloroquine is an ARTHRITS drug.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8278823/

Take a course in pathology and YOU TOO can become educated in manifestation of disease

[xtb]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

Malaria is an infestation of larvae from mosquitoes. While patents DO show some flu like symptoms, it is from an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT reason.

Covid is a VIRUS, and INTERCELLULAR pathogen

Hydroxychloroquine is an ARTHRITS drug.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8278823/

Take a course in pathology and YOU TOO can become educated in manifestation of disease

Yes Sherlock, the underlying diseases are very different but the drug does not care what triggers the cytokine response.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by xtb

Yes Sherlock, the underlying diseases are very different but the drug does not care what triggers the cytokine response.

BANG

Watch him squirm