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Old 05-29-2014, 09:40 AM   #1
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Par Times

Has anyone done a side by side comparison of the various services that sell par times?

I got an email from Cynthia Publishing yesterday selling their 2014 par times for $129. That seems like a pretty good price considering how much work it takes to make them.

Any idea how various companies make their pars? Do they make pars for every class or do they figure the pars for one class and then extrapolate?

Any info appreciated.
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Old 05-29-2014, 10:34 AM   #2
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Search for Dave Schwartz here - he posted a link to a full procedure how to make par times that will answer all your questions. I buy his and am very satisfied. Used to buy them back in the ThoroBrain days. Tom Brohamer recommended them to me.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:06 PM   #3
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Search for Dave Schwartz here - he posted a link to a full procedure how to make par times that will answer all your questions. I buy his and am very satisfied. Used to buy them back in the ThoroBrain days. Tom Brohamer recommended them to me.
I used to do speed figures and once I switched to Dave's pars my numbers improved dramatically.
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I used to use your figs - from Racing Weekly, was it?
"We" used to kill the inner at Aqueduct!
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I used to use your figs - from Racing Weekly, was it?
"We" used to kill the inner at Aqueduct!
Racing Action. Thank you. They were published in the NYRA program for a while until Equibase started producing computerized figs. It was an interesting process, developing the parallel time charts, etc. Once I incorporated Horse St. Pars and tweaked the parallel time charts, my numbers were really good, even my turf figs, which surprised me. When Lure (7-1) and Fraise (5-1) won their Breeders Cup turf races, in the same year, they had my top U.S. turf figures and I bet them both to win. Lure was a fast horse.

Doing the figures was time consuming. I did them for 10 years, and I'm glad I did because it taught me a lot about handicapping and how wind and other elements effect time. That's why I can quickly spot a quirky track, like this year's Derby day. As soon as I saw fast early fractions for sprints and slow times for routes I immediately thought it was most likely windy, and I checked, and sure enough, it was windy. On days like that, you must have two variants, one for one turn races and another for two turn races.
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