Will Justify get DQ'd?

[The_Turf_Monster]

Let's hope that Churchill does the right thing and stops awarding points to the California tracks for triple crown preps. We all know it won't though

Let's also hope Baffert's other triple crown winner that wasn't bred to run classic distances is questioned for its triple crown success too now

The triple crown means nothing if it becomes a science project

[oughtoh]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

There is way way to much money at stake in Ky for them to do anything, and technically he was clean for the triple crown races, and that will be the out if needed.

Was he clean for those races, or do we always wonder if they just swept it on the rug.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by oughtoh

Was he clean for those races, or do we always wonder if they just swept it on the rug.

good point, did not think that three other states may have been in on it.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by The_Turf_Monster

The triple crown means nothing if it becomes a science project

dude, you are going to need to find another sport if that is the stance. The higher the level the more the desire to fracture a rule or two.

[bob60566]

Maybe the two drug tests were tainted and this was kept quiet to protect the innocent.?

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by The_Turf_Monster

Let's hope that Churchill does the right thing and stops awarding points to the California tracks for triple crown preps.

I think that's a great idea and a great leverage point that Churchill has. The CHRB may have a very different view of this matter if the Churchill is willing to destroy the Santa Anita Derby, one of the biggest races in the state.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by bob60566

Maybe the two drug tests were tainted and this was kept quiet to protect the innocent.?

This isn't a private company. This is a publicly regulated enterprise. Nothing wrong with declaring Justify innocent, if the evidence supports that conclusion. But it HAS to be done in public, where other trainers and owners, track owners, and fans can inspect the evidence and ensure there isn't a cover up.

[sandpit]

A decade or so ago at the Breeders' Cup I had an hour-long discussion with a Kentucky Derby winning trainer about many things, including drugs in the sport. He told me point-blank, and reeled off several names that we all know, that there are people that he just can't beat because of what they do to their horses.

You have to be completely blind or incredibly naive not to think that when you see every horse from certain stables look like they were shot out of a cannon at the quarter pole that something nefarious isn't going on.

P.S. I'm going to a function tomorrow (not the Keeneland sale), where there will be literally hundreds of breeders, so hopefully I'll get to hear some thoughts and report back to everyone here.

[alhattab]

Originally Posted by The_Turf_Monster

Let's hope that Churchill does the right thing and stops awarding points to the California tracks for triple crown preps. We all know it won't though

Let's also hope Baffert's other triple crown winner that wasn't bred to run classic distances is questioned for its triple crown success too now

The triple crown means nothing if it becomes a science project

You would think to protect their own brand such an action would be necessary. it is a great idea. if CD can't trust a feeder race to be on the level because of weak regulation, it would have to remove it from consideration. They would never include races in a state say- to cite an extreme illustration- had zero drug regulations. This isn't much different if true.

[The_Turf_Monster]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

I think that's a great idea and a great leverage point that Churchill has. The CHRB may have a very different view of this matter if the Churchill is willing to destroy the Santa Anita Derby, one of the biggest races in the state.

California has done more than enough lately to damage the sport to warrant it being ostracized from it

Must be nice being the group paying $60MM for Justify's breeding right, lol. It was the miracle horse bred to run 8-9 furlongs that could win at 12!

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by delsully

This guy is on to something.

Nah...you beat everyone to the punch.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by bob60566

The board disposed of the inquiry altogether during a closed-door executive session. It decided, with little evidence, that the positive test could have been a result of Justify’s eating contaminated food.

I guess they didn't realize that drugs aren't given in needles these days, they are actually often IN THE FEED.



The feed company "pharmacists" are always coming up with new undetectables and can often stay 1 step ahead of the testing science.

What date was this board meeting?

[GMB@BP]

Baffert will probably play this as

He must have got some jimsonweed in his feed, we got the test, unconfirmed, right before the derby and tested him and he was clear. He never tested positive again for that stuff so it must have been a cross contamination. It had no bearing on any of his triple crown races

[bob60566]

California Horse Racing Board of failing to follow usual protocol with the failed drug test.

So is the above true y/n

[PaceAdvantage]

Special treatment for the big playas....such is life.

I don't know why people are constantly shocked/surprised by such things.

And people on off-topic once said to me "show me a conspiracy theory that was ever proven to be true."

My dudes, LIFE is a conspiracy theory...