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09-11-2019, 08:41 PM
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This could not have come at a worst time with PETA' s campaign at hand.
MINIMALLY, he should be stripped of the SA Derby win...If racing (already in trouble with integrity) does not address this forcefully and quickly, you can forget any younger generations acceptance of it as an "above board" sport as there are enough doubters out there already.
1968 saw the same thing and they did the right thing there.
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09-11-2019, 08:55 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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If true, he has to be disqualified, and some kind of action needs to be taken again the California incompetents who let this slide and covered it up..
Maybe ti time to just end all racing in California.
In MHO, he is no longer a 3X winner.
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09-11-2019, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
If true, he has to be disqualified, and some kind of action needs to be taken again the California incompetents who let this slide and covered it up..
Maybe ti time to just end all racing in California.
In MHO, he is no longer a 3X winner.
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Agree if true as written. Sort of like an NCAA team winning a championship, then later finding out there was some sort of cheating. Not necessarily cheating in the Big Game itself, but you have to presume the team wouldn't have made it without the cheating.
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09-11-2019, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GMB@BP
This should be good entertainment
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You should expect that there will be a 100 percent full court push by California officials to try and prevent any sort of meaningful accountability here.
In addition to everything already mentioned about the power of the breeding industry, Baffert is absolutely one of the few people keeping Southern California racing afloat. He's a sacred cow here and the California officials will say anything they can think of to defend what they did here.
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09-11-2019, 09:11 PM
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Wasn't a Little League World Series winner stripped of the title for cheating after finding out the star pitcher was much too old to participate?
Now the first horse since Apollo to win the Derby without racing as a 2 year old, goes on to win the Triple Crown.....and cheated with a HOF trainer at the helm, who also trained AP in 2015 to a TC win....Is AP now suspect as well?.....WTF Bob Baffert, are you really that damn greedy?
Isn't anything sacred or above board anymore?
Last edited by ReplayRandall; 09-11-2019 at 09:12 PM.
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09-11-2019, 09:11 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
When in Rome do as the Romans do. This sport is a cesspool, always been a playground for cheaters, I dont know if this is the time to be sanctimonious about the realities.
I used to bet a lot, I bet little now. There is a reason.
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This guy is on to something.
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09-11-2019, 09:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
If true, he has to be disqualified, and some kind of action needs to be taken again the California incompetents who let this slide and covered it up..
Maybe ti time to just end all racing in California.
In MHO, he is no longer a 3X winner.
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The problem with this statement is the assumption that the sport is clean. It is far from it....in fact some people do a better job of masking the drugs.
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09-11-2019, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by horsefan2019
The problem with this statement is the assumption that the sport is clean. It is far from it....in fact some people do a better job of masking the drugs.
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I'm thinking Ban Baffert from the Derby for 2 years.
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09-11-2019, 09:26 PM
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The board disposed of the inquiry altogether during a closed-door executive session. It decided, with little evidence, that the positive test could have been a result of Justify’s eating contaminated food.
This is what is so wrong and life goes on , Nudge nudge wink wink, Were is the carpet.
House of cards in this present game.
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09-11-2019, 09:46 PM
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Andy Beyer, to his everlasting credit, reported many years ago that the California drug positives were handled "discreetly", and slap-on-the-wrist fines were handed out in lieu of suspensions to the connections of the marquee race winners...as a way of protecting the "integrity of the game". I relayed this information a couple of times here in years past...to little fanfare.
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09-11-2019, 09:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bob60566
The board disposed of the inquiry altogether during a closed-door executive session. It decided, with little evidence, that the positive test could have been a result of Justify’s eating contaminated food.
This is what is so wrong and life goes on , Nudge nudge wink wink, Were is the carpet.
House of cards in this present game.
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And just to be clear, California has one of the strictest open meeting laws in the country (the Brown Act). No way is the CHRB ever allowed to do that.
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09-11-2019, 10:00 PM
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This is a bummer. There is no silver lining in that story, the entire thing stinks. The worst part, and I was naive to it, is the incestuous relationship between regulators and owners/trainers/breeders. The guy making this decision had an ownership stake?! There's no way to spin that...what a bunch of clowns ruining what should be a great sport. Depressing as f*ck.
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09-11-2019, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JerryBoyle
This is a bummer. There is no silver lining in that story, the entire thing stinks. The worst part, and I was naive to it, is the incestuous relationship between regulators and owners/trainers/breeders. The guy making this decision had an ownership stake?! There's no way to spin that...what a bunch of clowns ruining what should be a great sport. Depressing as f*ck.
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Regulatory capture. The Meatpacking Commission is generally full of meatpacking plant owners. The Cemetery Board is full of funeral directors. And the Horse Racing Board is full of people who have interests in the industry.
A certain amount of this is actually unavoidable, because you actually need some level of expertise. If you just took 7 random California civilians who knew nothing about horse racing, they wouldn't know the first thing about regulating the sport.
But this is why the Brown Act and open meetings are so important. This way, they have to do whatever they do IN PUBLIC. And this entire thing would have gone down differently if they had done it in public. There would have been calls to disqualify Justify as soon as the positive test was revealed, NBC would have covered it as a major story and a major embarrassment to the sport going into the Kentucky Derby, there would have been pressure on Churchill not to accept the entry, etc.
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09-11-2019, 10:10 PM
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There is way way to much money at stake in Ky for them to do anything, and technically he was clean for the triple crown races, and that will be the out if needed.
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09-11-2019, 10:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
There is way way to much money at stake in Ky for them to do anything, and technically he was clean for the triple crown races, and that will be the out if needed.
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You talking about Teflon Bob.
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