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It is no longer Feb or March. Back then, we did not know what we now know about this virus. Back in Feb or March, we didn't even know just how much of it had invaded the U.S., which is why many high density, large cities got "hit".

But it's August now. And we do know stuff. And if you don't care about the epidemiological stuff, then you need to know that Trump is likely to lose votes precisely over this issue.

From worst to best. CT, NY, NJ, Maine, Vermont, Mass. They are winning the war on covid-19 and there is more than enough information about how they are achieving this.

Feb and March are long gone in people's minds. They are worried about NOW. And polls are showing concerns. Now is August. NOW will be Sept, October, November.


So unless you can show that CT, NY, NJ, Maine, VT and Mass businesses, and their economies overall, are faring far worse than states where we have allowed covid-19 to loom out of control, then it's time to re-examine one's thoughts.


As a matter of fact, their economies will recuperate much faster, and re-openings are going smoother. Rates of covid-19 transmission are tied, undeniably, to consumer confidence and local economic health.

Consumer confidence is paramount to a healthy economy.

You can keep saying otherwise. But it will be at your peril. And at the peril of winning in November.

NOBODY is suggesting endless lockdowns. NOBODY is suggesting endless unemployment payments (although Trump seems to be the only one supportiing the $600 deal), and nobody is suggesting keeping every and all schools closed.

THere is a way forward, and that way is to do things "safely". At this point, the meaning of "safely" is largely understood. If it's not where you are, then don't expect people to want to eat in your restaurants or come flocking to your towns and local businesses.

Start looking at what works, and practice it. SIMPLE.




https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/healt...tes/index.html

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/statu...20285309141004

Spot on

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by clicknow

NOBODY is suggesting endless unemployment payments (although Trump seems to be the only one supportiing the $600 deal), and nobody is suggesting keeping every and all schools closed.

Hello 1984.

Every news article I read says his admin is AGAINST the $600/wk deal...and the DEMS want it extended...THAT'S been the ONE OF THE MAJOR STICKING POINTS to getting a deal done.

Interesting how you come here and post the complete opposite of what has been reality the past two weeks.

Trump floated the idea of extending it ONE WEEK. Also heard the idea of reducing it to $200 (again from Trump admin).

Other than that, it's been nonstop drum beat of "$600/wk payments incentivize people NOT to work."

[clicknow]

Trump is in full blown denial over the numbers.

Almost 160000 dead, 1000+ a day dying. If a foreign nation had done this to us, we'd have nuked them. (Actually, if another nation was doing this to their own, chances are we'd have already invaded them.)

And, what seems to be "the Jared plan" to let the virus run rampant (for political reasons) and somehow hoping it will decimate blue state voters or that blue state voters will turn on their Democratic governors ----- that isn't going to work. If that is the plan. It's not going to work.


I can't even believe Trump's handlers let him do this interview. The poster is correct, it is ........devastating. He really is in denial about the numbers:

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[davew]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Hello 1984.

Every news article I read says his admin is AGAINST the $600/wk deal...and the DEMS want it extended...THAT'S been the ONE OF THE MAJOR STICKING POINTS to getting a deal done.

Interesting how you come here and post the complete opposite of what has been reality the past two weeks.

Trump floated the idea of extending it ONE WEEK. Also heard the idea of reducing it to $200 (again from Trump admin).

Other than that, it's been nonstop drum beat of "$600/wk payments incentivize people NOT to work."

60% of the people getting $600/wk are taking home more than when they had a job

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by davew

60% of the people getting $600/wk are taking home more than when they had a job

Then don't pay them.

I am "for" whatever plan keeps them from getting evicted during a pandemic. With or without the "luxury" of utilities, if need be. Water is essential. Phones, electricity (unless needed to run necessary medical equipment), TV, etc. are not essentials. If they have to default on their car payments and loans, then that just feeds more economic destruction downstream anyway though. And they will certainly not be buying take out.....or anything else.

I mean, let's face it, having families sprawled out onto sidewalks with their possessions at this point isn't going to do much for Trump's numbers.

And, regardless of how much they will have to do without, high-contact with the public jobs, in covid hotspots, are going to remain unfilled. you can complain about it all you want though.

There will be plenty of others helping people caught in those situations, go fund me's, food banks, etc. The idea that you can force people to put their health at risk in communties that are experiencing very high covid-19 hospitalizations isn't going to happen in the numbers you guys seem to expect.


As for the other "hot issue" right now: You can bet that parents with school children will be waiting to see if and when Barron Trump returns to in-person school instruction.

His son's school does not believe it's safe to open for in-person instruction (but they are practicing guidelines based on epidemiology, not what Trump says, and Trump says its safe for other children to in person instruction).

I believe citizens will be more inclined to"follow the leader" on this. Let the media show Trump's confidence that schools are safe by sending his son and leaning on that school to re-open.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by clicknow

Trump is in full blown denial over the numbers.

Almost 160000 dead, 1000+ a day dying. If a foreign nation had done this to us, we'd have nuked them. (Actually, if another nation was doing this to their own, chances are we'd have already invaded them.)

And, what seems to be "the Jared plan" to let the virus run rampant (for political reasons) and somehow hoping it will decimate blue state voters or that blue state voters will turn on their Democratic governors ----- that isn't going to work. If that is the plan. It's not going to work.


I can't even believe Trump's handlers let him do this interview. The poster is correct, it is ........devastating. He really is in denial about the numbers:

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/stat...16877802795008

Really? That's what you think based on that interview?

Damn...sick ****s indeed.

You guys are so ****ing twisted.

And what is this Jared plan? More death porn concocted for you to get off on, along with hcap?

When will this illness run its course (not talking COVID-19(84))

Talking your demented sickness that has destroyed the country over the last 4 years.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Other than that, it's been nonstop drum beat of "$600/wk payments incentivize people NOT to work."

So I gave my thoughts on that.

What did you think about the states who are lowering their numbers, and how they're doing it.....

I believe I asked you if you thought that CT, NY, NJ, Maine, VT and Mass businesses, and their economies overall, are faring far worse, due to following epidemiological suggestions, than states that have allowed covid-19 to loom out of control.

Got any numbers for me?

I'm asking you because of your interest in getting the economy up and running and I think these states that are doing it with massively lowered covid-19 numbers might have some answers for us.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by clicknow

So I gave my thoughts on that.

What did you think about the states who are lowering their numbers, and how they're doing it.....

I believe I asked you if you thought that CT, NY, NJ, Maine, VT and Mass businesses, and their economies overall, are faring far worse, due to following epidemiological suggestions, than states that have allowed covid-19 to loom out of control.

Got any numbers for me?

I'm asking you because of your interest in getting the economy up and running and I think these states that are doing it with massively lowered covid-19 numbers might have some answers for us.

You just wrote hours ago that Trump has been pushing the $600/wk payment, which is so patently untrue I find it unbelievable that you posted such a thing.

Then you post a video where you and the original tweeter almost pass out from disbelief of the nature of Trump responses in said video...and it's another giant nothing burger...although I do enjoy the interviewer's completely unbiased tone and body language...LMAO

I find no further reason to engage you in any type of civil discourse.

Go troll somebody else.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Really? That's what you think based on that interview?

Nope.

I have no idea why you thought that.

Like the poster of the video said, nothing other than the video was required. It pretty much speaks for itself.

I agreed.


The other stuff was my own theory and unrelated to the video.

The drum beat to force citizens into unsafe situations is not going to change their behavior. And I said IF there is a plan to turn them against their Democrat blue state governors, it's gonna fail.

And I said IF that was the plan. Since everyone else here engages in so many conspiracy theories, I thought I'd throw one in for a change.


Get this: you can starve them out. (if anyone actually WANTS to do that to their own citizens, which probably isn't a good idea if you've got an election coming up though).......but they are not going to put their health at risk and they will pursue any and all other avenues.

Not in counties where covid-19 hospitalizations are super high and out of control. That's just common sense.

Just like many are not going to send their kids to summer camps or school. They saw what happened in GA

[clicknow]

Again. you can keep beating the drum about "shutting it all down" when nobody is even suggesting that.

THey are suggesting keeping things open, but doing it SAFELY.

Just like Barron's school is.

Do it safely and prove that you can, or at least look like you've taken every precaution that is reasonable.

LEt's see what precautions Barron's school suggests before they let him go back.

Do you know what those arrangements are?

On what basis, exactly, are they remaining closed to in person instruction?

They must have some reason???


I"ve already gone on record in the past saying schools need to reopen.......but safely. I actually said that here back in June or July and thought it would have happened sooner than now. But obviously, there are schools like Barron's who did not want to open in June or July. And I'm still not clear as to why they do not think it's safe?

Classrooms and school buildings are a lot easier to control than entire towns and cities. I just don't get it. I have thought all along that schools need to reopen, children everywhere are suffereing both education wise and socially. they need the structure of school.

How hard is it to control a few classrooms and a school building compared to a whole city???

[clicknow]

not to mention this is a private school, with mostly wealthy families, they could have all the resources there are to keep a few classrooms and a building safe.

I just don't get it.

I know there are some public schools that don't have $$ and/or architecture to carry out some of the social distancing requirements and such. But that is not the case here.

And it's not like summer camp. Those kids were at sleepaways, kinda piled on top of each other in tight quarters in many respects. Camp dorms and buildings don't have all the bells and whistles to begin with.