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Old 06-29-2020, 09:01 PM   #1876
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Interested in people's views on the 7th at Delaware today.

The winner was objected against twice after leaving a trail of stricken horses in it's wake. The 2nd was also objected against in a separate stretch incident.

Stewards dismissed all three objections but decided to DQ the 3rd placed horse despite no objection, after he drifted half way across the in the stretch.

Fun times!

So much to digest here. I'll tell you what I saw, with NO skin in the race, as neutral as it gets.

was hindered when the tried to get out on the first turn. Down the backstretch, the was never comfortable and was mostly looking to and lugging towards it's right. Around the 2nd turn, the was still never settled, and the was clearly in the 2 path. was again moving the the right including the illusional point where he pulled up sharply. Not the fault of the who maintained a consistent path. The was later forced into the by the , who was properly disqualified.

came over on the and should have been disqualified.

caused the trouble involving the and also came out and sandwiched the in conjunction with the

I would have placed the behind , and the behind the
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Old 07-13-2020, 09:29 AM   #1877
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Didn't see a thread for the scratch or non scratch based on the start of a race so this post wound up here.

Yesterday's 9th at Del Mar - 3 horse, Blameitonthelaw gets left at the gate, about 5 lengths, at the wire horse runs 3rd beaten 4 1/2 lengths. Stewards Inquiry and video show the head of the 3 turned to it's inside at a complete 45 degree angle as the gates open. Looked obvious that the assistant starter still had a hold of the rein.

Results stand, bettors fleeced.
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Old 07-13-2020, 03:55 PM   #1878
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Parx 4th July 13 2020.


Another mystery dq of a runaway winner. anyone see this today. Did i miss something?




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Old 07-13-2020, 04:06 PM   #1879
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Parx 4th July 13 2020.


Another mystery dq of a runaway winner. anyone see this today. Did i miss something?




About 100 yards out of the gate, the causes the to check hard.
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Old 07-13-2020, 04:09 PM   #1880
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About 100 yards out of the gate, the causes the to check hard.





Thanks if you watch the replay on TVG and read equibase charts no mention of why he was taken down. I have seen alot worst left unchanged thats for sure. They even had the horse in the winners circle. Also the 4 imo was clear of the 3 and the inexperienced jockey on the 3 panicked and took up.

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Old 07-13-2020, 06:43 PM   #1881
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Thanks if you watch the replay on TVG and read equibase charts no mention of why he was taken down. I have seen alot worst left unchanged thats for sure. They even had the horse in the winners circle. Also the 4 imo was clear of the 3 and the inexperienced jockey on the 3 panicked and took up.
I wasn't expecting the objection to be allowed as the was easily beaten by the . I don't see how they can claim that the interference cost the any places.
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Old 07-13-2020, 06:47 PM   #1882
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I wasn't expecting the objection to be allowed as the was easily beaten by the . I don't see how they can claim that the interference cost the any places.
Cost him some lengths, but, I think that how many lengths it cost him was not worth the DQ.
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:01 PM   #1883
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Seems to me from the head-on that the grey horse herded the 4 and caused him to come in slightly which resulted in the minor steady of the 3.

It was a horrendous call even if you don't take that into account, and bettors once again took the brunt of it, but to me there were more than mitigating circumstances regardless. I don't get up in arms about takedowns too often but this one was utterly ridiculous.
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:04 PM   #1884
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I just watched it again. There is no question the grey horse caused the entire chain reaction. Can't wait until they suspend the rider of the 4. You know that's coming.
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Old 07-14-2020, 12:11 AM   #1885
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I just watched it again. There is no question the grey horse caused the entire chain reaction. Can't wait until they suspend the rider of the 4. You know that's coming.
This was a really, really bad DQ. I feel for anyone that bet the 4 and anyone that bet the 3 should play the lottery tomorrow.
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Old 07-16-2020, 02:17 PM   #1886
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Post Saratoga r2 7/16/2020

Price Talk


mixed emotions here.

3 was inside horses (namely the 7) , 6 and 10 were carrying the lead into the stretch)

Unless Jose Lezcano just pulled off the greatest act of 'playing possum' that I've ever seen, and completely fooled my eyes, the wasn't doing anything.

The were hanging up front, begging for the finish line.


Some combination of Manny Franco either being extremely reckless, or the Price Talk being uncontrollable led to significant foul of the .

The went on to win easily. The although knocked off his lead continued on about the same trajectory as he seemed to be headed along.


Ultimately, I'd prefer to see a horse and rider who are pocketed up have to deal with the traffic, and either slip out w/out fouling, or come up the rail inside of rivals. (or simply take the loss, because he had too much traffic to overcome)

However, it's an inconsistent thing with the stewards. Often riders of horses who are favorites, or clearly much the best are given a free pass to bull into rivals to fight through traffic.

Manny Franco isn't necessarily one of the ones who does this often, but it was his turn today. He happened to get called for it.

Tough luck for Manny, as it was a change in the common-accepted-practices. Also tough for bettors who played a slightly overlayed Klaravich contender due to the 'B'-barn designation.

Still, I feel it's technically the correct ruling, and would be nice to see it consistently upheld, and established as the new common accepted practice.
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Old 07-16-2020, 03:11 PM   #1887
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Delaware R4 today. In a freaky coincidence, almost identical to last week's race with the 4 pushing the 6 out wide around the final bend and then absurdly running on to win. Last time the FPTP kept the race. What will the stewards do this time...
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Old 07-16-2020, 03:14 PM   #1888
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Delaware R4 today. In a freaky coincidence, almost identical to last week's race with the 4 pushing the 6 out wide around the final bend and then absurdly running on to win. Last time the FPTP kept the race. What will the stewards do this time...
Well, that makes no sense. This week the FPTP gets DQ'd. I felt that last week's was worse! Looking forward to comparing the replays later...
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Old 07-16-2020, 03:18 PM   #1889
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Well, that makes no sense. This week the FPTP gets DQ'd. I felt that last week's was worse! Looking forward to comparing the replays later...



Crazy finish and no way should they have taken this poor horse down!
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Old 07-16-2020, 04:37 PM   #1890
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Well, that makes no sense. This week the FPTP gets DQ'd. I felt that last week's was worse! Looking forward to comparing the replays later...
if wagering customers could see the technology and process in what goes into consistent standards of these rulings, I think there'd be far less complaints about DQs



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