The coronavirus

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

for Monday, December 14,2020

199,000 cases


1600 deaths

for Tuesday, December 15, 2020

199,000 cases

1300 deaths

[MargieRose]

"Facts are under assault in 2020"

How Pfizer's and Moderna's COVID-19 vaccines are tied to Operation Warp Speed

Operation Warp Speed

Historically, vaccine development, testing and approval take years, in part because of tight resources. The goal of Operation Warp Speed is to break down hurdles and produce and deliver 300 million doses of safe and effective COVID-19 vaccines by January 2021 — about a year after the novel coronavirus emerged in China. Beyond vaccines, Operation Warp Speed also oversees the accelerated development, manufacturing and distribution of therapeutics and diagnostics for COVID-19.

Operation Warp Speed, launched in May, is a partnership among agencies within the Department of Health and Human Services and the Defense Department. HHS is leading vaccine development efforts while the Defense Department is helping guide distribution. Operation Warp Speed also includes partnerships with private firms; companies can pitch to the federal government products and technologies to combat the coronavirus.

Vaccine deals

Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine

The U.S. government committed $1.95 billion for large-scale manufacturing and delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech. Pfizer’s vaccine would need to get emergency-use authorization or approval from the FDA.

The agreement also allows the United States to acquire up to 500 million additional doses.

Moderna

In the Nov. 16 announcement of the vaccine’s efficacy, Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel thanked "partners at BARDA and Operation Warp Speed who have been instrumental to accelerating our progress to this point."

Investment in other vaccines

Johnson & Johnson...

AstraZeneca...

Novavax...

Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline...

Merck and IAVI...

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

"Facts are under assault in 2020"

How Pfizer's and Moderna's COVID-19 vaccines are tied to Operation Warp Speed

Great post Margie. Afraid it will receive cricket music from our socialist friends on here.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Great post Margie. Afraid it will receive cricket music from our socialist friends on here.

Not sure how this article contradicts anything? Even the article you posted says the same thing others have been saying.

BioNtech vaccine development and research was funded by the German government.

Moderna was funded here.

Per the BioNtech vaccine, even acccording to the article you just posted (not to mention all the posts I made months ago about the 2 Turks who developed the vaccine (based on their previous development of using mRNA for cancer)......and then the German gov't financed it's ruther development into a vaccine with grants):

"The U.S. government did not fund the companies’ research and development." (meaning the BioNtech one).

Pfizer chose to risk its own money on vaccine research and not take federal funding in order to avoid bureaucracy and politics, Pfizer’s CEO Albert Bourla said. He said its investment so far was at least $1.5 billion."


The BioNtech vaccine was funded and developed by the govenment in Germany after the 2 Turks who are immunotherapy specialists, came up with the technology. That is incontrovertible. The fact that we "purchased" doses has nothing to do with funding it. We are merely consumers of product. BioNtech partnered with Pfiser for distribution, manufacture, and their familiarity with the FDA process of approval in the U.S....that is why they brought them on.

Turkish-born Ugur Sahin, 55, is CEO of BioNTech. He co-founded it with his wife and fellow board member Özlem Türeci, 53, and his former teacher, Prof Christoph Huber, an Austrian cancer expert.

You can keep trying but you won't be able to prove any US funding for the research and development of the frontrunner vaccine. And if you had followed the Pharma insider stuff all along you wouldn't be arguing such a silly point.

https://www.biospace.com/article/bio...-and-research/

https://medcitynews.com/2020/09/bion...id-19-vaccine/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n%20government.

https://fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfize...speed-germany/

[clicknow]

The US paid for the delivery of the 100million doses it purchased....that price would of course include manufacturing it.


A wholly different thing than funding research and development of a vaccine..


Hopefully people understand the difference....... but here...probably not.


Not that it matters anyway. Most people here won't be getting that one because Trump only purchased 100m doses. Most people here will be getting the Moderna one, or one of the others that hasn't received FDA approval yet but probably will.

[Ocala Mike]

When the dust settles, Novavax may be the big winner out of Operation Warp Speed. They will be saviors to the world, especially the less wealthy nations.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by clicknow

The US paid for the delivery of the 100million doses it purchased....that price would of course include manufacturing it.


A wholly different thing than funding research and development of a vaccine..


Hopefully people understand the difference....... but here...probably not.


Not that it matters anyway. Most people here won't be getting that one because Trump only purchased 100m doses. Most people here will be getting the Moderna one, or one of the others that hasn't received FDA approval yet but probably will.

The cost of something not only includes the manufacturing cost (labor and material), but also includes sales, admin, and among many other things, research and development costs.

By committing to purchase 100 million doses, that allows pharma companies to secure financial commitments to pay for the excess labor and equipment costs associated with the R&D. It ain't so black and white.

[Redboard]

Unfortunate. My heart goes out to the family. This is not a hoax or you-know-who would have said something. I’m glad the wife’s GoFundMe account met its goal, but I think they’ll need more than that.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...19-friend-says


https://www.gofundme.com/f/crede-amp-family

(not sure that this has already been discussed somewhere else here)

[MargieRose]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Great post Margie. Afraid it will receive cricket music from our socialist friends on here.

Some just can't accept the FACT that Trump's Operation Warp Speed has played a MAJOR role in getting the vaccines developed and out to the public at never-before accomplished speed, regardless of where vaccines were researched and developed. I give him credit for lighting a fire under many butts, whether directly or indirectly.

Like it or not, like Trump or not, his goal was certainly never to put a thumb on keeping the American public under control, as has been thought to be the intentions of some for so-thought nefarious reasons. It took a man with a big ego; one who prides himself on being able to accomplish the previously-thought unaccomplishable to pull this amazing feat off.

To you naysayers on here concerning EVERYTHING under the sun about this man, move on; we've got a real disaster coming our way with the feckless wimp that some of you helped to install into the highest office in this land. Wait until you see what I'm going to post next.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

The cost of something not only includes the manufacturing cost (labor and material), but also includes sales, admin, and among many other things, research and development costs.

By committing to purchase 100 million doses, that allows pharma companies to secure financial commitments to pay for the excess labor and equipment costs associated with the R&D. It ain't so black and white.

BioNtech developed the Pfizer vaccine.

This is exactly what some of us have been saying.

Its also much closer to reality than the "God bless Trump hurrah!" of others.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by tucker6

The cost of something not only includes the manufacturing cost (labor and material), but also includes sales, admin, and among many other things, research and development costs.

THen I guess I'm responsible for warp speed.

I am trying to make a distinction here, and you are smart enough to GRASP IT, but you refuse.

Thats okay.

The German government invests in their scientists, big time. And as I pointed out before. BioNtech was able to act early because they got 375 million euros from the coffers of a federal research program as early as in January of this year.

So, the German state is also a partner of the company. The company is valued twenty times the value of Lufthansa airlines. The EU ordered 300 million with an option for more They beat the free market with govt. initiative. All that money is now boosting their government fund, so that they can "invest" public money into more science research and scientists.

You are obviously unaware of how it's done over there.

ALL the citizens there benefit from have huge $$ in the coffers to spend on their citizens, science, and other intiiatives. (unlike here where some wall streeter grabs the money and runs, and the US taxpayer pays for it. )

By committing to purchase 100 million doses, that allows pharma companies to secure financial commitments to pay for the excess labor and equipment costs associated with the R&D. It ain't so black and white.

So then, by (smartly) purchasing 1.5x more than we did, I guess the EU is part of the Warp Speed initiative. So again, using your logic, Trump can't really take more credit than they can.

[jimmyb]

The timing of the vaccine reminds me of the Iranian hostage release after Reagan got elected.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

BioNtech developed the Pfizer vaccine.

This is exactly what some of us have been saying.

Its also much closer to reality than the "God bless Trump hurrah!" of others.

They don't get it.

They also don't get the part about the way parntnering is done in a nation where greedy wall streeters aren't looking to cash in....those 2 turks who figured out that technology.....they will still ride their bike to work every day.

BioNtech was able to act early to be the frontrunner because they got 375 million euros their federal government as early as January of this year. And now that the German govt. is also a partner of the company, valued at 20x Lufthansa Airlines, the people in Germany will benefit. . The company is valued twenty times the value of Lufthansa airlines.

As I sit and watch our USA deficit grow......and grow.

Have fun, taxpayer of the USA! Have fun. The bill will come due, and your kids, and grandkids, and their grandkids, will pay it off.

While Pfizer's CEO cashed out 60% of his stock on the same day the company unveiled the results of its COVID-19 vaccine trial.

Cuz that's the way the MAGAs do things here in the USA.

[davew]

Originally Posted by jimmyb

The timing of the vaccine reminds me of the Iranian hostage release after Reagan got elected.

it is just a good thing JOE will quickly save the world

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by davew

it is just a good thing JOE will quickly save the world

Joe said it would be a cold, dark winter. You need to put on a more gloom and doom demeanor here, comrade.