Another school shooting

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

You mean an AR-15 type assault rifle? They have doctors interviewed who have operated on people recently shot with 5.56mm AR-15 rounds saying they have never seen anything close to the horrendous wounds made by assault rifles out of all the gunshot wounds they treated. Eyewitnesses have said the Texas shooter shot multiple people at close range with his shotgun, yet no one is talking about the mess that makes of a living being.

I have no idea what type of shotshells the shooter used, but if you really want to see a mess, look at anything shot up close and personal with 12 gauge 00-buckshot. There's really nothing treatable after that.

The .556/.223 Remington round is no more lethal than any of the other cartridges available in semi-automatic rifles (and far less lethal than those in traditional hunting calibers).

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer

A--Because all the anti American gun grabbers say its to easy to get a gun legally however this just proves they get them illegally and we already have enough gun control laws in effect we dont need anymore.


b- Mike will continue to pay when the new school year starts. It must be working because they didnt have any school shootings during that period.

Again, legally or not, mentally ill kids are getting guns. Don't put me In the gun grabber group. You're skirting the point here. Mentally ill people and mentally ill kids are accessing firearms. Period

First off you don't know that Gundy will finance it next year.. Second, he funded it just last month. Are you telling the forum that thirty days makes it a success? Lol, pick the state with the toughest gun laws..... Then find any town in that state with a similar population of Stillwater. ..99 percent chance is that town didn't have a school shot to hell either. An anti firearm nut could make the same lame statement that their laws "are working". The track record is the same, correct?

Like I asked boxcar, why is it we as a society have this problem, on this scale, as opposed to Europe or Asia. It's not acceptable.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

Like I asked boxcar, why is it we as a society have this problem, on this scale, as opposed to Europe or Asia. It's not acceptable.

Because most of Europe is steeped in socialism. Then we have Russia which is kinda committed to totalitarianism. Then when me meander over to Asia, we have China and its for-life president who is just as committed to totalitarianism.

In short, Elk, the U.S. is truly a unique political experiment. So unique, so different, in fact, that we have a leftist SC moonbat who recommended to African nations that they not adopt our form of Constitution. So unique and so different, that people have suggested that our Constitution is antiquated and needs to be updated, etc. So unique, so different that people have suggested that the Constitution is a "living, breathing" document that should be easier to amend.

Remember this country was founded on the foundational premise that government is not to be trusted.. If there are any other countries out there whose "law of the land" infers this kind of premise, I would like to know about it.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Because most of Europe is steeped in socialism. Then we have Russia which is kinda committed to totalitarianism. Then when me meander over to Asia, we have China and its for-life president who is just as committed to totalitarianism.

In short, Elk, the U.S. is truly a unique political experiment. So unique, so different, in fact, that we have a leftist SC moonbat who recommended to African nations that they not adopt our form of Constitution. So unique and so different, that people have suggested that our Constitution is antiquated and needs to be updated, etc. So unique, so different that people have suggested that the Constitution is a "living, breathing" document that should be easier to amend.

Remember this country was founded on the foundational premise that government is not to be trusted.. If there are any other countries out there whose "law of the land" infers this kind of premise, I would like to know about it.

What a paranoid bunch you are.
You would think that government has total control
over everyone outside this country. Far from the truth.

[chadk66]

Doctors saying the wounds from AR's are worse than anything are anti-gun lying ass hats. My cousin is an ER doc in LA. She laughed at that when I talked to her about it. She says when people are brought in shot with a shotgun were not treating them the coroner is. Large handgun loads are easily second.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

What a paranoid bunch you are.
You would think that government has total control
over everyone outside this country. Far from the truth.

Get up to speed on the history of the founding of this country and the Founders' background. Not only did the Founders draft the Constitution on the basis of their bad experience with England but also based on their knowledge of what the bible teaches about the Depravity of Man. The Founders, therefore, were right experientially and theologically. (Try really, realy hard to refrain from reading into my remarks that nation was founded as a Christian nation, okay?)

Obama didn't care much for the U.S. Constitution. Even he managed to get something right for once in his miserable, pathetic life when he said that this nation's Constitution is a "charter of negative liberties". You remember when he said that? I do. And I also recall how some on the right took umbrage with that remark, and I could never understand why. Obama was right. Our Law of the Land is indeed a charter of negative liberties because it severely restricts the power of government over The People by outright limitations and the division of powers in more ways than one. It is because the Constitution tells us what the government cannot do that we have more liberty in this country than the vast majority of nations in this world, if indeed not all. We The People have more freedom TO do because the Constitution frees us FROM the tyrannies of government.

The Founders, when drafting the Constitution, very clearly operated on the presumption that The People should place as little power in the hands of government as possible because government, generally, is not be trusted.
Only a fool would trust a den of thieves and liars.

[mrhorseplayer]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

Again, legally or not, mentally ill kids are getting guns. Don't put me In the gun grabber group. You're skirting the point here. Mentally ill people and mentally ill kids are accessing firearms. Period

First off you don't know that Gundy will finance it next year.. Second, he funded it just last month. Are you telling the forum that thirty days makes it a success? Lol, pick the state with the toughest gun laws..... Then find any town in that state with a similar population of Stillwater. ..99 percent chance is that town didn't have a school shot to hell either. An anti firearm nut could make the same lame statement that their laws "are working". The track record is the same, correct?

Like I asked boxcar, why is it we as a society have this problem, on this scale, as opposed to Europe or Asia. It's not acceptable.

again it matters how they are getting these firearms. anyone that has been diagnosed with mental problems cannot purchase a firearm legally and there are age restrictions to certain types of firearms and these kids have been getting these firearms illegally periiod.


Gunday already said he will pay cause he wants his kids and everyone elses kids to be safe. You cannot prove it hasnt worked however you can prove there have been no school shootings in that town.


Like I said the problem is not firearms, and you cannot compare USA to Europe or Asia

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by chadk66

Doctors saying the wounds from AR's are worse than anything are anti-gun lying ass hats. My cousin is an ER doc in LA. She laughed at that when I talked to her about it. She says when people are brought in shot with a shotgun were not treating them the coroner is. Large handgun loads are easily second.

You mean lies like this?





A doctor who treated victims of the Florida school shooting has detailed their horrific wounds as she called for civilian use of AR-15 style weapons to be banned in the US.
Heather Sher described organs that had been completely obliterated “like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer” and exit wounds the “size of an orange” in an op-ed piece for The Atlantic.
The radiologist, who has worked in busy emergency rooms for 13 years, said the pattern of injury was different to those she normally saw and she was forced to ask herself “How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?”

In another article she claimed she had treated "thousands" of gunshot victims in 13 years and only saw one other incidence or such horrific wounds. So she claimed to have treated thousands, but never saw a close distance shotgun wound? Sounds like a full on lying sack of crap to me.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Get up to speed on the history of the founding of this country and the Founders' background. Not only did the Founders draft the Constitution on the basis of their bad experience with England but also based on their knowledge of what the bible teaches about the Depravity of Man. The Founders, therefore, were right experientially and theologically. (Try really, realy hard to refrain from reading into my remarks that nation was founded as a Christian nation, okay?)

Obama didn't care much for the U.S. Constitution. Even he managed to get something right for once in his miserable, pathetic life when he said that this nation's Constitution is a "charter of negative liberties". You remember when he said that? I do. And I also recall how some on the right took umbrage with that remark, and I could never understand why. Obama was right. Our Law of the Land is indeed a charter of negative liberties because it severely restricts the power of government over The People by outright limitations and the division of powers in more ways than one. It is because the Constitution tells us what the government cannot do that we have more liberty in this country than the vast majority of nations in this world, if indeed not all. We The People have more freedom TO do because the Constitution frees us FROM the tyrannies of government.

The Founders, when drafting the Constitution, very clearly operated on the presumption that The People should place as little power in the hands of government as possible because government, generally, is not be trusted.
Only a fool would trust a den of thieves and liars.

Let's not forget who the Founders were dealing with.
The British Empire under George III was both brutal and tyrannical.
Indeed, the Founders were the liberals of their time.

I believe they would be outraged at current staunch conservatives
in the United States and their overbearing self-righteousness.
Not what they set out to achieve at all.

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

You mean lies like this?...

In another article she claimed she had treated "thousands" of gunshot victims in 13 years and only saw one other incidence or such horrific wounds. So she claimed to have treated thousands, but never saw a close distance shotgun wound? Sounds like a full on lying sack of crap to me.

According to the FBI's Expanded Homicide Data, in 2016 (the latest year for which data is available) there were 7,927 firearm homicides in the United States in which the type of weapon was known. The breakdown:

Rifles --- 374
Shotguns -- 262
Handguns -- 7,105
Other -- 186

I'd say it's entirely possible that she's never seen a close distance shotgun wound, because of (a) the rarity of such events, and (b) the likelihood that such a victim would be pronounced dead at the scene, hence no ER visit.

One more time: the damage she describes is not unique to the .556 cartridge. ANY modern high-velocity rifle cartridge will produce similar trauma; the typical hunting rifle round will produce worse.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by horses4courses View Post
What a paranoid bunch you are.
You would think that government has total control
over everyone outside this country. Far from the truth.

Ironic for YOU.
YOU want the government to have total control over everyone INSIDE the country.

Go figure!

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

What a paranoid bunch you are.
You would think that government has total control
over everyone outside this country. Far from the truth.

Trumps only been in office a year and a half.

Give him a little time

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

You mean lies like this?





A doctor who treated victims of the Florida school shooting has detailed their horrific wounds as she called for civilian use of AR-15 style weapons to be banned in the US.
Heather Sher described organs that had been completely obliterated “like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer” and exit wounds the “size of an orange” in an op-ed piece for The Atlantic.
The radiologist, who has worked in busy emergency rooms for 13 years, said the pattern of injury was different to those she normally saw and she was forced to ask herself “How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?”

In another article she claimed she had treated "thousands" of gunshot victims in 13 years and only saw one other incidence or such horrific wounds. So she claimed to have treated thousands, but never saw a close distance shotgun wound? Sounds like a full on lying sack of crap to me.

exactly. That was either made up BS or the shooter had some odd ball/ hand made ammo that you don't see. I'm going with the made up BS. The liberals will tell you whatever they think you need to know to go along with their agenda. I will tell you that a 25 year ER doc in LA says differently.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by Mulerider

According to the FBI's Expanded Homicide Data, in 2016 (the latest year for which data is available) there were 7,927 firearm homicides in the United States in which the type of weapon was known. The breakdown:

Rifles --- 374
Shotguns -- 262
Handguns -- 7,105
Other -- 186

I'd say it's entirely possible that she's never seen a close distance shotgun wound, because of (a) the rarity of such events, and (b) the likelihood that such a victim would be pronounced dead at the scene, hence no ER visit.

One more time: the damage she describes is not unique to the .556 cartridge. ANY modern high-velocity rifle cartridge will produce similar trauma; the typical hunting rifle round will produce worse.

I would guess 75% of the recipients of shot gun wounds don't go to the ER. They go straight to the coroner. I'm 52 years old. Been hunting since I was 8. I have shot nearly every caliber of gun/shotgun there is. Own a couple dozen guns. Have shot so many animals I wouldn't even want to guess how many. I have a pretty good grasp what these weapons leave for damage.

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by chadk66

I would guess 75% of the recipients of shot gun wounds don't go to the ER. They go straight to the coroner. I'm 52 years old. Been hunting since I was 8. I have shot nearly every caliber of gun/shotgun there is. Own a couple dozen guns. Have shot so many animals I wouldn't even want to guess how many. I have a pretty good grasp what these weapons leave for damage.

Same here, except I'm older. Don't hunt much anymore, but run around 10,000 rounds of 12 gauge annually on sporting clays (that's not as much shooting as it sounds...an average of two 100-round courses per week).

I haven't checked in a while, but the last time I looked there were 10 states that considered the .556 too small to humanely dispatch whitetails, and thus by law required a larger caliber.